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Explain the various elements of armed forces

Originally Posted by Vitesse Apparently no-one can stop you applying and going to selection but they can shaft you afterwards . . . They can ...

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    Default Re: Explain the various elements of armed forces

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitesse View Post
    Apparently no-one can stop you applying and going to selection but they can shaft you afterwards . . .
    They can put obstacles in the way and make it very difficult for you. I was told by a senior officer that he didn't like blokes trying selection because a lot of the time if they fail they sign off and leave the army.
    There is sometimes conflict between the regular army and any special forces units because the regular army sometimes doesn't want to let decent blokes go.

    Once you get there its like anywhere really, if your face doesn't fit then you're fucked. Most are decent enough but there are some complete arseholes there just like any organisation, they're not all the strong silent type.
    They will pretty much decide early on if they want you, then depending on the DS they'll bin you there and then or let you run yourself into the ground and fail yourself.
    Fitness is obviously a factor but at some point no matter how fit you are you feel like giving up or your sense of humour fails, they want the blokes who get to that point and keep going.
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    Default Re: Explain the various elements of armed forces

    How daft [a question]

    Join any armed forces and you've committed your entire existence to the slights of any current political whim. If you were poor & needed a trade, or had no other means to see shores other than the British Isles, it could be for you – no other 'institution' offers such extensive apprenticeships in any trade. There are other aspects too, not to be ignored... like the comradeship which develops over time, opps & experience. Priceless, many would say.

    But as a career? why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenbears View Post

    But as a career? why?
    You get to kill people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icarus1859 View Post
    You get to kill people.
    ...and wear a uniform.
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    Default Re: Explain the various elements of armed forces

    Quote Originally Posted by tenbears View Post
    How daft [a question]

    Join any armed forces and you've committed your entire existence to the slights of any current political whim. If you were poor & needed a trade, or had no other means to see shores other than the British Isles, it could be for you – no other 'institution' offers such extensive apprenticeships in any trade. There are other aspects too, not to be ignored... like the comradeship which develops over time, opps & experience. Priceless, many would say.

    But as a career? why?
    Why a daft question?

    I was simply after a steer on what the various elements do and if they really are that different from one another - comparison has been made between paras (jumping) and marines (landing craft) essentially being the same thing just coming in from various angles. Several people on here have explained these or given extra info where to find more.

    I've not asked it from a career point of view as personally it wouldn't be my thing - but clearly those that have and do get a decent base for the rest of their lives.
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    Default Re: Explain the various elements of armed forces

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitesse View Post
    Oh, I do wish you hadn't done that. That's thick end of 2 hours I've wasted (again) giggling at Crabs, Walts, Rinteln, '68 Pattern DPM etc. Not new but some talented writing. Did find a link to this though, which is a scream:
    Shrine of the Mall Ninja LonelyMachines
    That's a gun nut forum that does not realise it's having the piss taken out of it royally .
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    Yeah... I guess you have a point...

    in that all great warriors love a good threat [and death], and that near death experience – is what makes us. Real.
    I already have the Knight's Cross [crossed swords & Oakleaves], & by marriage two Legion de'Honor, one with bar & 2 Crox de Guerre.

    We did the Forces stuff, all air, sea & land. It aint a choice this Ninja will take in this Life. I learnt from my distinguished warrior past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tenbears View Post
    Yeah... I guess you have a point...

    in that all great warriors love a good threat [and death], and that near death experience – is what makes us. Real.
    I already have the Knight's Cross [crossed swords & Oakleaves], & by marriage two Legion de'Honor, one with bar & 2 Crox de Guerre.

    We did the Forces stuff, all air, sea & land. It aint a choice this Ninja will take in this Life. I learnt from my distinguished warrior past.

    In terms of bizzare thats right up there with the time I did mushrooms and dressed up in my wifes clothing.
    A night on psychedelics with you would be epic.
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    Default Re: Explain the various elements of armed forces

    Oi gun nuts - what you think of this:

    BBC - Newsbeat - US military unveils 'smart gun'
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    It's pretty. I wonder how many working parts it has? Ammo weight and capacity? Is it still usable when the clever stuff breaks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax View Post
    Oi gun nuts - what you think of this:

    BBC - Newsbeat - US military unveils 'smart gun'
    Pretty spiffy, you could totally ruin some fuckers vacation with that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax View Post
    Oi gun nuts - what you think of this:

    BBC - Newsbeat - US military unveils 'smart gun'
    bit of irony there, will it differentiate between the enemy and friendly forces, cos the fuckers pulling the trigger don't seem to be able to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkman View Post
    It's pretty. I wonder how many working parts it has? Ammo weight and capacity? Is it still usable when the clever stuff breaks?
    Beat them to death with the blunt end? Call McGiver to construct a tank from the broken bits and a couple of twigs?
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    Not sure if I should comment as I am also a bit out of date and partially bias... but then again who isn't !

    I have taken this direct from the Army website.
    The regimental system
    The increasing demands of imperial expansion together with inefficiencies highlighted during the Napoleonic Wars led to the Cardwell and Childers Reforms of the late 19th century. These gave the British Army its modern shape, and defined its regimental system. The Haldane Reforms of 1907, formally created the Territorial Force which still exists as the Army's volunteer reserve component.

    Command structure
    The command structure is hierarchical with divisions and brigades responsible for administering groupings of smaller units. Major Units are regiment or battalion-sized with minor units being smaller, either company sized sub-units or platoons. All units within the service are either Regular (full-time) or Territorial Army (part-time), or a combination with sub-units of each type.

    Naming conventions
    Units names differ for historical reasons. An infantry regiment is an administrative and ceremonial organisation only and may include several battalions. An infantry battalion is equivalent to a cavalry regiment. For operational tasks a battle group will be formed around a combat unit, supported by units or sub-units from other areas. Such an example would be a squadron of tanks attached to an armoured infantry battle group, together with a reconnaissance troop, artillery battery and engineering support.
    From my experience, groups are made up of Fighting and supporting arms. the ratio is higher on the side of support.

    So if you take the smallest grouping and since you mention the SAS lets take them.

    their smallest group would be a Ptl of 4 men these would be made up from the Sabre troops and usually consist of a Ptl Leader, Ptl Communicator, Ptl demolitions and Ptl medic but all SF badged then dependant on the op might include other specialisations but we will keep it simples... usually there would be many of these 4 man teams which are capable of coming together as larger teams for larger ops

    in support of these 4 you would have a SHQ which would be the command and control element, in this group you would find, Royal Signals, Logistics, Transport, REME mechanics, Inteligence etc.

    In support of the SHQ would be, everything else, Air support, Arty Support, Infantry Support, Armour Support, Engineer Support, Naval Gunfire Support. etc.

    So in the case of the Tri Services it would probably work as follows...

    In a conventional NATO scenareo

    Forward Recce
    SAS
    SBS
    Special Reconnaissance Regiment
    Y Elements (Radio Recconissance, counter measures & Counter counter measures)
    RAF Airbourne Communications Platforms
    Armoured Recce


    Fighting Troops
    Royal Marines,
    Parachute Regiment
    Infantry Regiments
    Armoured Regiments
    RAF Regiment (to some degree)

    Support Troops
    Command and Control
    Communications
    Artillary
    Logistics
    Transport
    (REME)
    Helicopters
    Air support
    Engineers
    Medical regiments/ field hospitals
    Inteligence

    But we are not fighting a conventional war in the Stan and you will find pockets of Limited Tasking Groups, which work essentially like the Royal Marines and Parachute regiments, where they take the whole package with them and set up operating bases which have the fighting elements and the Support elements in one group which is limited to say a 7 day window after which they would need further support from further back.

    There is of course elite-ism between all arms and regiments/Corps this is the factor which makes UK troops the best ie they believe in themselves and their regimental history and what they can acheive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomad View Post
    There is of course elite-ism between all arms and regiments/Corps this is the factor which makes UK troops the best ie they believe in themselves and their regimental history and what they can acheive.
    Don't all armies have this? Why does this make UK troops the best?

    Straight question
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