Gary Glitter

Originally Posted by gremlin

S'funny innit? A thread about GG will always start with some moral indignation but always degenerates into peado jokes and puns about 'rings' and such. How low must you have sunk to be the joke of the peado world?

I think the crime is so repulsive that humour is the only defence, so its not surprising to see why humour might be used to avoid thinking about the reality.

Originally Posted by Taipan

He lived down the road to us when we were kids. Dont recall ever seeing him but he may have looked a lot different in civvies? My Sister won his signed glove in a local paper's competition. I bet its still in my Mums loft!

He was Shane Fenton before he was Alvin Stardust, but he wasn't the first Shane Fenton. He metaphorically stepped into a literally dead man's shoes.

Alvin Stardust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by BananaMan

Hmm.

I met him once, introduced by a friend of his, who was a friend of a friend of mine. This was many years before his subsequent notoriousness. A backstage pre- gig thing, I think he was playing at a theatre in Islington, or it might have been Brixton. Don't remember. We didn't see the gig, just popped in to say hi.

But I do remember that he gave me a kiss ( an "affectionate" peck on the cheek" ) which I found distinctly odd, given that I was at least 22. It wasn't very nice though, even for me. I didn't reciprocate.

And incidentally, I might be wrong, I'm not going to look into it, but I think his crimes were against young girls, generally speaking

I don't know if that makes any difference to people's remarks or thoughts on the matter ... it ought not to, if it was an age of consent issue, IMHO.

Never met him but did go to one of his Xmas Gang Shows also at Brixton in 89?.
Fucking great gig. He threw a rose into the crowd and i caught it and have it to this day. I still have the ticket stub also.
He didn't wink or leer at me.
I was a very pretty boy at 19 and can still pass for 25 so if he did like boys he would've been all over me.
After the gig the whole crowd sang his songs walking down the street. Magic.

Can't believe noone has posted this yet -
7311995_GaryGlitter-wigs.jpg

Originally Posted by motopat

you just want to argue with someone don't you.


GG is still doing kids up the shitter. the cuddly wuddly beary beary boo.

If you think he isn't then you are very welcome to your opinion, and everyone else is allowed to think their own thoughts too.

You could've said "GG is still doing kids up the cuddly wuddly beary beary boo. the shitter". Jus sayin

Originally Posted by icarus1859

I think the crime is so repulsive that humour is the only defence, so its not surprising to see why humour might be used to avoid thinking about the reality.

Instinctively to me and to you and to most right-thinking people it is the worst crime that can be commited.
But - and don't bite my head off here - the crime is so contentious that sometimes i think this. There's no way your average paedo isn't aware that he/she is doing something that most people would happily seem them burnt at the stake for if they got caught. Yet they still do it. That compunction must be SO strong that sometimes i think that they cannot help themselves - they literally do not have a choice. Then if you agree with that statement does that mean they should be punished OR we accept that it is currently an incurable sickness and treat them accordingly until they can be "cured"?

Originally Posted by Mr Rooty Tooty

I've been reading about Krokodil and scopolamine today

Krokadil, its the choice of champions!



Although why the fook you'd wanna do that to yourself is beyond me

Originally Posted by ink ink

He was Shane Fenton before he was Alvin Stardust, but he wasn't the first Shane Fenton. He metaphorically stepped into a literally dead man's shoes.

Alvin Stardust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hence the mic up to the face, apparantly he was about to go on stage at TOTP in the 70's when some old boy doing security said "Ere, didn't you used to be Shane Fenton?" so Alvin held the mic up to disguise himself.

As for GG, it's a bit rich that everybody gets all het up about him, when Bill Wyman, who openly admitted doing a 13yo Mandy Smith, and Pete "research purposes, honest!" Townshend get played daily.

And the Mamas and Papas, one of those blokes was doing his daughter hillbilly style IIRC.

Originally Posted by Ted

He's apparently been living in a caravan on Saddleworth Moor

Still got kids under his feet then



(Sixties 'joke')

Originally Posted by The Martian

Paedophiles should never be forgiven for their crimes, ever.

Paedophile watch | From the Guardian | The Guardian

It looks like their recidivism rate is not as high as people previously thought and 70% were known to be victims themselves. No excuse mind but I am not sure public castration with a rusty blunt instrument for the joy of the mob is the answer either.

This sounds more like it though:

"A missing piece in the current legislative jigsaw is an indeterminate sentence for dangerous offenders, which would mean that sex offenders could be held in custody for as long as they pose a risk, rather than being released when their sentence ends, regardless of the danger they pose. This is being considered by the government in the case of those with a dangerous personality disorder."

Originally Posted by Yarbles

Paedophile watch | From the Guardian | The Guardian

It looks like their recidivism rate is not as high as people previously thought and 70% were known to be victims themselves. No excuse mind but I am not sure public castration with a rusty blunt instrument for the joy of the mob is the answer either.

This sounds more like it though:

"A missing piece in the current legislative jigsaw is an indeterminate sentence for dangerous offenders, which would mean that sex offenders could be held in custody for as long as they pose a risk, rather than being released when their sentence ends, regardless of the danger they pose. This is being considered by the government in the case of those with a dangerous personality disorder."

Steady, there's no place for reason or fact in this debate, just when I'd finished shapening me pitchfork too

However I thought courts could now hand out indeterminate sentences where the offender was considered an ongoing threat to the public.

Originally Posted by Tomcat

However I thought courts could now hand out indeterminate sentences where the offender was considered an ongoing threat to the public.

I hope so that article was 12 years ago so you would hope for some progress. On the subject of progress though if asked I wonder if "the man on the clapham omnibus" would say Gary Glitter was convicted of bum sex with underage boys becase Glitter rhymes with shitter. Perhaps that is the currennt state of mob justice.

Originally Posted by Yarbles

I hope so that article was 12 years ago so you would hope for some progress. On the subject of progress though if asked I wonder if "the man on the clapham omnibus" would say Gary Glitter was convicted of bum sex with underage boys because Glitter rhymes with shitter. Perhaps that is the current state of mob justice. I am not sure that is a greater offence than vaginal sex with underage girls but his last conviction was for the possesion of indecent images of children I thought.

Yeah I think so, though creating images of child sex involves the act so deserves to be suppressed. And (reports the BBC) he denied the charges of unspecified "lewd acts" in Vietnam, claiming it was a conspiracy to get compensation out of him (which was paid).

There are some proper monsters out there who deserve the hate they receive but honestly I never thought Glitter was in that class by a long way, and even something of a victim of tabloid frenzy when others (as Bigjawa says) were treated considerably more lightly.

Originally Posted by Ed Safado

Instinctively to me and to you and to most right-thinking people it is the worst crime that can be commited.
But - and don't bite my head off here - the crime is so contentious that sometimes i think this. There's no way your average paedo isn't aware that he/she is doing something that most people would happily seem them burnt at the stake for if they got caught. Yet they still do it. That compunction must be SO strong that sometimes i think that they cannot help themselves - they literally do not have a choice. Then if you agree with that statement does that mean they should be punished OR we accept that it is currently an incurable sickness and treat them accordingly until they can be "cured"?

If it is an incurable sickness then it needs to culled, if it is a crime, the perpertrator needs to be culled. I do believe where there has been abuse of young children that they will always be a threat, and the child(ren) abused have a life sentence, so for their abusers to get any less than that is shameful and wrong IMO. I know that abusers have often come from backrounds of abuse, so we know this sickness can be 'caught' and the only way to stop it from keep spreading is to end it wherever it is found.

These people are of no benefit to society, have ruined lives and can never really pay for what they have done so they should die.

Originally Posted by The Martian

These people are of no benefit to society, have ruined lives and can never really pay for what they have done so they should die.

Revulsion is appropriate in some cases but the category is broad, and as noted in the above link can cover as many as 1 in every 600 people. Broad brush policies aren't appropriate in circumstances like that, have you read the article and what did you think of it?

Originally Posted by Bigjawa

Hence the mic up to the face, apparantly he was about to go on stage at TOTP in the 70's when some old boy doing security said "Ere, didn't you used to be Shane Fenton?" so Alvin held the mic up to disguise himself.

As for GG, it's a bit rich that everybody gets all het up about him, when Bill Wyman, who openly admitted doing a 13yo Mandy Smith, and Pete "research purposes, honest!" Townshend get played daily.

And the Mamas and Papas, one of those blokes was doing his daughter hillbilly style IIRC.

I watched a program about Jonathan King once. He openly admitted he had slept with under-legal age boys but not kids. Apparently there is a difference in law between fiddling with pre and post puberty kids.

Didn't Townshend curry some favour with the public as he'd been abused himself as a child? Purchasing paedo pics for research, yeah righto.