Unemployed people of all ages

Originally Posted by Airtank

Anyone care to comment on conscription for the young...

Into what?

Originally Posted by Tomcat

Classic recipe for massive child poverty and crime problems.

The answer is the country needs jobs and jobs need to pay enough to live on. Once you have that you can start worrying about who "wants" to work. Until then it's simplistic claptrap.

You may not be wrong but what you've just done there is everything I loathe about politics; you shoot down practical suggestions, yet can only come up with some obvious statement about what needs to happen, but not how to do it.

Originally Posted by fulltilt

You may not be wrong but what you've just done there is everything I loathe about politics; you shoot down practical suggestions, yet can only come up with some obvious statement about what needs to happen, but not how to do it.

Maybe it wasnt such a practical suggestion . Come back when you have one as everyone on here is struggling to come up with a working solution

Go-slow has hinted at what will happen and that is the situation is going to be left to pan out by itself , This wont address the people who have NEVER worked in their lives

If I was 20 years younger I would be worried for the UK , as it is I am slowly joining the ranks of I am alright jack and thinking sod it who cares

Originally Posted by Airtank

Maybe it wasnt such a practical suggestion . Come back when you have one as everyone on here is struggling to come up with a working solution

You as well, saying what won't work but afraid to list a few ideas, which could be actually put into practise tomorrow, which you believe will.

Saying we need to spend more and often struggling businesses need to pay people more are idealistic and not practical suggestions for what we can actually do.

Stop them smoking, take away the staffordshire bull terrier,sky and ban them from tattoo parlours that should fix them.

Stopping making it financially advantageous to have lots of children would be a start - but it won't happen because politicians would rather buy votes with public money.

Big Jawa - I cant comment on what goes on in your neck of the woods, only what I see every day, we dont descriminate on nationality, we just dont see British people looking for work. BTW the Poles are not going back for any reason other than there's a lot more work in their own country than there was, sadly its the more motivated ones that are leaving, the lazy sponging gits are staying.

My solution to the problem would be investing in adult training and education, proper skills based training not David Beckham studies.

Veggie Dave's story of trying to retrain and the problems of not being able to sign on and train is ludicrous.

The group I work for are experiencing the same problems as Big Petes company, a shortage of semi-skilled and skilled workers. The situation in China is changing as their workers demand higher wages, we are bringing manufacturing processes back to the UK but certain trades are vastly reduced and reviving them needs trained people. This lack of trained workers is holding the UK back.

Better tax breaks for companies to invest in training staff, allow people to continue to claim benefits if they are in job based training would be my start in reducing unemployment.

Originally Posted by crust

The group I work for are experiencing the same problems as Big Petes company, a shortage of semi-skilled and skilled workers. The situation in China is changing as their workers demand higher wages, we are bringing manufacturing processes back to the UK but certain trades are vastly reduced and reviving them needs trained people. This lack of trained workers is holding the UK back.

Sadly reckon you're a minority though, agree that China has always been a difficult but potential goldmine profit procurement option for Western Companies and that many 'Brands' are looking at/signing up alternative Far East mfg sources as a 'just incase' policy, China (if managed correctly) is still a cheap and capable source for most types of production - and if you mfg in large volumes you'll find it very difficult to find any other source capable of handling your demand.

Many European mfg plants have automated to such an extent that employee wages & direct production costs are neglibible but they still can't come close on costs (TAC) to their increasingly inflating (price wise) Chinese competition (even landed pricing) and that can only be down to three reasons (I'm ignoring financing costs):

1. Newer and more efficient mfg tooling
2. Clever/cynical interpretation of mfg specification - imo recycled alloys are easy to misrepresent
3. Local costs of running a Business (though this advantage diminishes to a degree in-line with the volume of production)

Originally Posted by Byker28i

Well, I may need some advice soon. Another round of redundancies at work announced and I doubt I'll escape this time.

Did that 2 years ago, best bloody decision i made was to leave the shit hole, took a shit load of cash off them and moved onto a job i like more and did that in 6 weeks.... think of it like a new start and don't dwell on the past, that is the best advice i can give, oh also treat looking for a job as a job.... get up at 8.00am, do all the usual things you did when in work, stop for lunch and then start again an hour later, don't hang around in your smoking jacket (ie get dressed), and just keep trying. Good luck.

Originally Posted by go_slow

Are we sending THEM home yet?

We can't, they ripped up their passports and won't tell us where they came from.... bummer.

China is easily taken out of the equation by either banning imports or Taxing Imports this will enable the Uk manufacturers to compete and it will be a cleaner greener product

Is it any wonder the governments cant come up with a fix for the 2.6 mill unemployed seeing as the TRC massive cant either

Originally Posted by Julian_Boolean

Stopping making it financially advantageous to have lots of children would be a start - but it won't happen because politicians would rather buy votes with public money.

Well done one of the only common sense things said, the tax payer should pay for the kids you have when you join the benefits system but not any more you have whilst unemployed.... why should i and my wife pay for kids bore by feckless and stupid mothers who have no means to support them.

Originally Posted by Hudson

Well done one of the only common sense things said, the tax payer should pay for the kids you have when you join the benefits system but not any more you have whilst unemployed.... why should i and my wife pay for kids bore by feckless and stupid mothers who have no means to support them.

Wouldnt that make the kids suffer even more unless of course you mean the state takes the kids into care as a punishment to the parents for having them

Cant for the life of me believe people think penalising the kids like this is ok

The companys mentioned on here that are hiring foreign workers on the minimum wage but getting extra hours out of them for free need to be stopped in their tracks and forced to pay the going rate thus making it viable to take on people from the UK

Originally Posted by Airtank

Wouldnt that make the kids suffer even more unless of course you mean the state takes the kids into care as a punishment to the parents for having them

Cant for the life of me believe people think penalising the kids like this is ok

Oh please, spare me. If you make the system less attractive these rather '' free with their affections '' mothers will not be so keen to have the bloody sprogs. Any system that encourages '' mothers '' to pop out the little future offenders whilst sitting on their fat arses is a broken system from the bottom up (no pun intended). In this brave new world, there will be some that suffer, so what ! Thats life, kill or be killed is the moto of the jungle...... The principal for our current situation is similar, there are always winners and losers, why should someone who has worked all his life and not claimed a bean in benefits pay for someone who sits on their arse all day because they want too. The lazy sods should suffer, and go hungry, and be homeless. I have met some right arseholes in my job who make their neighbours lives a misery, they do sod all as work, drink a lot, take drugs and they seem to do just bloody fine...., if they are kicked out of their home then the council has a duty of care to house them again !!! Well yes i say its wrong, and these people need to suffer. We need to wake up and smell the coffee, the benefits system got totally out of hand under Labour (when there were jobs to be had), and now, with no jobs we are trying to bring it back on track.... to bloody late, so the only answer is suffering... and !

Originally Posted by Hudson

Oh please, spare me. If you make the system less attractive these rather '' free with their affections '' mothers will not be so keen to have the bloody sprogs. Any system that encourages '' mothers '' to pop out the little future offenders whilst sitting on their fat arses is a broken system from the bottom up (no pun intended). In this brave new world, there will be some that suffer, so what ! Thats life, kill or be killed is the moto of the jungle...... The principal for our current situation is similar, there are always winners and losers, why should someone who has worked all his life and not claimed a bean in benefits pay for someone who sits on their arse all day because they want too. The lazy sods should suffer, and go hungry, and be homeless. I have met some right arseholes in my job who make their neighbours lives a misery, they do sod all as work, drink a lot, take drugs and they seem to do just bloody fine...., if they are kicked out of their home then the council has a duty of care to house them again !!! Well yes i say its wrong, and these people need to suffer. We need to wake up and smell the coffee, the benefits system got totally out of hand under Labour (when there were jobs to be had), and now, with no jobs we are trying to bring it back on track.... to bloody late, so the only answer is suffering... and !

So your ok with kids suffering through no fault of their own , I just wanted to clear that part up

Thats an option for sure but its too high a price to pay for society