iPhone 4 Antenna Debacle?

Originally Posted by Alex Dangerfield

Mine seems sluggish after 4.. but you an I are both G.. not GS. My friends with jailbroken and standard 3gs phones found the software an improvement. In fairness the 3g is an *old* phone now.

I would restore to an earlier firmware or wait for the fix but no need really as I can upgrade the phone in a few weeks.

I agree about the 4 not being that innovative.. the first iphone was of course innovative.. however the last three years haven't produced anything (bar the appstore) that innovative, either by apple or LG, HTC, Samsung etc etc..

Can't be downgraded to earlier firmware. It's bricked, even DFU fails.

Any case, I've just cancelled my online order for iPhone 4. They're not getting any more of my money.

I'm going Android instead and if necessary I'll write my own application. I've written Windows software at the Win32API level ever since Windows NT first came out, and before that I wrote assembly language and in the distant past machine code. So I can't imagine it would be anything like as difficult.

Now then, do I wait for the rumoured HTC Desire HD?

Originally Posted by irie

Can't be downgraded to earlier firmware. It's bricked, even DFU fails.

Any case, I've just cancelled my online order for iPhone 4. They're not getting any more of my money.

I'm going Android instead and if necessary I'll write my own application. I've written Windows software at the Win32API level ever since Windows NT first came out, and before that I wrote assembly language and in the distant past machine code. So I can't imagine it would be anything like as difficult.

Now then, do I wait for the rumoured HTC Desire HD?

A perfectly good phone, as with all gadgets there's no guarantee that it won't get sluggish, lock-up and crash (yes it happens with android devices too)

Originally Posted by irie

I don't think that Apple will ever be able to bury the debacle of their press conference - all they managed to do was dig themselves deeper into the shit.

I'm not really sure why you're getting so excited about the press conference. I thought they did a good job of coming clean about the problem while trying to point out that it's probably not as widespread as maybe thought and offering a decent solution to affected owners.

Sure, the whole thing is a fuck up, but these things happen. If they sort out the problem in a new batch then there'll have been no real harm done. If the issue lingers then maybe it'll have a negative effect. Will also have to see what, if any, damage has been done by bringing the other manufacturers into the fray. Interesting angle.. maybe beneficial, maybe the opening of a large, corporate can of worms. We'll see.

Originally Posted by irie

The iPhone 4 is a renovation (aka rehash).

That doesn't really make sense. It's exactly the same as an older model was when new?

Originally Posted by irie

I have to buy one of these shit devices because a particular piece of software I need to run ("Stockwatch") is only available for iPhones, and the latest release only runs under OS4.x

I don't know about that app or how specifically you use it, but aren't there websites that'll offer the same functionality? Having specific functionality is certainly nice to have in a self-contained app, but surely you could replicate the functionality with one of the financial websites and then use it on any phone?

Originally Posted by Alex Dangerfield

A perfectly good phone, as with all gadgets there's no guarantee that it won't get sluggish, lock-up and crash (yes it happens with android devices too)

True.

But the problem is really Apple IOS software updates and iTunes, isn't it?

We have never had any problems with iPhone, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 3GS (Mrs. irie's) other than when using iTunes. iTunes is shit, and the problem with iTunes is that by definition you're locked into it.

Originally Posted by irie

True.

But the problem is really Apple IOS software updates and iTunes, isn't it?

We have never had any problems with iPhone, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 3GS (Mrs. irie's) other than when using iTunes. iTunes is shit, and the problem with iTunes is that by definition you're locked into it.

I don't have a problem with it.. in fact I'd prefer to sync a device with a button click and tick boxes than faffing about opening / closing / dragging folders about the place.

They could make itunes a bit more intuitive but once you've spent some time familiarising oneself it's not exactly difficult. The bonus with the apple product and itunes "ecosystem" is that when problems and queries arise there are a million plus people with exact solutions on t' web as they have an identical set up.

It sounds like your phone is old and fucked, I'd demand a 3gs and a cheaper contract (in fact that's what I'm doing) Ive put older firmware on mine no problems. download the 3.1 etc ipsw then apple or alt click in itunes "restore" button (the alt click means you can manually select the ipsw as opposed default update)

I guess you've already tried this though?

Originally Posted by Alex Dangerfield

I don't have a problem with it.. in fact I'd prefer to sync a device with a button click and tick boxes than faffing about opening / closing / dragging folders about the place.

They could make itunes a bit more intuitive but once you've spent some time familiarising oneself it's not exactly difficult. The bonus with the apple product and itunes "ecosystem" is that when problems and queries arise there are a million plus people with exact solutions on t' web as they have an identical set up.

It sounds like your phone is old and fucked, I'd demand a 3gs and a cheaper contract (in fact that's what I'm doing) Ive put older firmware on mine no problems. download the 3.1 etc ipsw then apple or alt click in itunes "restore" button (the alt click means you can manually select the ipsw as opposed default update)

I guess you've already tried this though?

There was absolutely nothing wrong with my phone until I tried to upgrade to OS4.0 because I wanted to use the latest version of an App which only runs on OS4.x

I've done all the .ipsw stuff - it fails to complete. Then after that Restore always hangs in the middle of Restore with an error(2).

You can't do a DFU firmware re-flash because that always hangs then finally goes into Restore.

I've finally used Irecovery.exe and even with that the phone ends up going back into Restore mode.

It was fine until I tried to upgrade the OS to 4.0 - it was iTunes that bricked it.

I don't buy phones on contract - I buy them factory unlocked.

Originally Posted by Alex Dangerfield

... The bonus with the apple product and itunes "ecosystem" is that when problems and queries arise there are a million plus people with exact solutions on t' web as they have an identical set up.

And there are also loads of people with 3G phones "with the exact same problem" - stuck in Restore loops.

I was the absolute majority shareholder, TD and Chairman of a medium sized software company until I was bought out in December 2008. In my life I've written hundreds of thousands of lines of code - I know shit when I see it.

And this is shit.

I've fired arrogant cuddly wuddly beary beary boos like Jobs for breach of contract - it's an appalling way to treat your customers and against the best interests of Apple.

Originally Posted by Alex Dangerfield

umm yes it does. Shucks.. it would appear that myself, blood relatives, the Dangerettes and many of my drinking assosciates aren't proper "fan boys"

Again, no it doesn't, you probably just haven't upgraded to a 4G purely because you're either too poor or are still in a contract with a 3G one. I'm sure you're jealous of 4G owners though, wishing you were cool enough to be a Jones and hiding your 3G away when sipping your latte in some trendy coffee emporium. I can imagine quite a few 3G owners holding back to see how this reception issue is fixed, but 3 million buyers in 3 weeks is hardly indicative of owners wanting to wait 6 months for the product to mature.

Originally Posted by fulltilt

Again, no it doesn't, you probably just haven't upgraded to a 4G purely because you're either too poor or are still in a contract with a 3G one. I'm sure you're jealous of 4G owners though, wishing you were cool enough to be a Jones and hiding your 3G away when sipping your latte in some trendy coffee emporium. I can imagine quite a few 3G owners holding back to see how this reception issue is fixed, but 3 million buyers in 3 weeks is hardly indicative of owners wanting to wait 6 months for the product to mature.

Let's face it, the iPhone 4 is evolutionary and the millions who pre-ordered it would have expected a solid product from day 1.

That's not what they've got.

It's now an interim product and will soon be replaced on-the-fly with a modified product which will obsolete what's already in the market place.

The fact is that in general people don't diss what they've just paid good money for until they have a viable alternative and also have to money to migrate to that alternative. They just put up with it and make the best of it until they can escape.

Originally Posted by fulltilt

Again, no it doesn't, you probably just haven't upgraded to a 4G purely because you're either too poor or are still in a contract with a 3G one. I'm sure you're jealous of 4G owners though, wishing you were cool enough to be a Jones and hiding your 3G away when sipping your latte in some trendy coffee emporium. I can imagine quite a few 3G owners holding back to see how this reception issue is fixed, but 3 million buyers in 3 weeks is hardly indicative of owners wanting to wait 6 months for the product to mature.

I drink triple espresso.. latte indeed. I look down on those people.

Poor? hmm sensible is the word.. there's not enough over and above the GS to pay the premium for it. Okay it has the sharpest screen and best camera currently on a phone but I already have a camera, besides what point large images when they need to be hobbled in size for web and mms?

You look down on people who look down on people.. which makes you a bit of a wanker too yes?

Originally Posted by irie

There was absolutely nothing wrong with my phone until I tried to upgrade to OS4.0 because I wanted to use the latest version of an App which only runs on OS4.x

I've done all the .ipsw stuff - it fails to complete. Then after that Restore always hangs in the middle of Restore with an error(2).

You can't do a DFU firmware re-flash because that always hangs then finally goes into Restore.

I've finally used Irecovery.exe and even with that the phone ends up going back into Restore mode.

It was fine until I tried to upgrade the OS to 4.0 - it was iTunes that bricked it.

I don't buy phones on contract - I buy them factory unlocked.



And there are also loads of people with 3G phones "with the exact same problem" - stuck in Restore loops.

I was the absolute majority shareholder, TD and Chairman of a medium sized software company until I was bought out in December 2008. In my life I've written hundreds of thousands of lines of code - I know shit when I see it.

And this is shit.

I've fired arrogant cuddly wuddly beary beary boos like Jobs for breach of contract - it's an appalling way to treat your customers and against the best interests of Apple.

wow, there's a lot of pain here! could the issue be with this particular app?

You chose to purchase a product with no back up or support in place, if you purchased the phone like the arrogant cuddly wuddly beary beary boo jobs wanted he (the cuddly wuddly beary beary boo) would have provided you with a phone now that's two generations up. Just an observation like.

It had absolutely nothing to do with the App from the App store.

It was bricked when I tried to downgrade the phone using iTunes in the normal way.

iTunes 10 is shit as is OS4

Originally Posted by Mussels

The claim by RIM is a bit steep as I've known many Blackberry users have a second mobile phone to make calls on because the RIM devices were rubbish as phones.

Yep, until recently I had to endure a blackberry Bold 9000 for two years, the reception was absolutely crap. How could I tell? You would be in a building with a large number of other mobile phone users, those with RIM devices had to go outside to get a signal. According to an engineer I spoke with, there is a design issue with the antenna in them, something to do with the way it is spiraled up in the rear of the case.

Originally Posted by irie

It had absolutely nothing to do with the App from the App store.

It was bricked when I tried to downgrade the phone using iTunes in the normal way.

iTunes 10 is shit as is OS4

Again if you had purchased the phone correctly you would surely have an opportunity for redress?

FTR the "lite" version is working on a jailbroken 3G on ver 4.0. The appstore version is 4.37 and they mention a "bug fix" the version on installous is 4.36 this did NOT work.

Originally Posted by Alex Dangerfield

Again if you had purchased the phone correctly you would surely have an opportunity for redress?

FTR the "lite" version is working on a jailbroken 3G on ver 4.0. The appstore version is 4.37 and they mention a "bug fix" the version on installous is 4.36 this did NOT work.

I did buy the phone correctly, I bought it in Italy under full Apple warranty.

Don't spout any more apologetic Jobsisms at me, just go away and play with your Apple Winky ™ some other place.