iPhone 4 Antenna Debacle?

Originally Posted by str0nach

My last iPhone was jailbroked. My iP4 isn't. I guess I'm a pretty basic user but the only thing I really miss is intelliscreen (and to a lesser extent, 5 icon dock). But not enough to jailbreak the new one......which amazingly, despite the foaming-mouthed furore, is working perfectly.

No way. You are making it up. They are cuddly wuddly beary beary booing phones made by the devils cuddly wuddly beary beary booy spores.

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Originally Posted by irie

There was absolutely nothing wrong with my phone until I tried to upgrade to OS4.0 because I wanted to use the latest version of an App which only runs on OS4.x

I've done all the .ipsw stuff - it fails to complete. Then after that Restore always hangs in the middle of Restore with an error(2).

You can't do a DFU firmware re-flash because that always hangs then finally goes into Restore.

I've finally used Irecovery.exe and even with that the phone ends up going back into Restore mode.

It was fine until I tried to upgrade the OS to 4.0 - it was iTunes that bricked it.

I don't buy phones on contract - I buy them factory unlocked.



And there are also loads of people with 3G phones "with the exact same problem" - stuck in Restore loops.

I was the absolute majority shareholder, TD and Chairman of a medium sized software company until I was bought out in December 2008. In my life I've written hundreds of thousands of lines of code - I know shit when I see it.

And this is shit.

I've fired arrogant cuddly wuddly beary beary boos like Jobs for breach of contract - it's an appalling way to treat your customers and against the best interests of Apple.

From an outsiders, non techie POV this is a pretty authoritative post as you're a code writer. Insults aside can anyone top/counter/dispute this?

I recently bought one of the first iPhones and like it and was thinking of going to 3g as they seem to be coming up for sale reasonably now. Also like AD I quite like iTunes for organising the music. Its taken me a while to switch to this kind of thinking though and I certainly wasn't one of iTunes fans originally.

Surprised Apple have let this get to where it has without being more constructive in its approach to the issue. With the androids popularity increasing Apple would do well to take their heads out of their arses as they are headed for dangerous waters I believe.

Originally Posted by Taipan

... Surprised Apple have let this get to where it has without being more constructive in its approach to the issue. With the androids popularity increasing Apple would do well to take their heads out of their arses as they are headed for dangerous waters I believe.

Agree with you. Once upon a time Google was Microsoft's enemy and because your enemy's enemy is your friend, Apple became Google's friend.

But as you rightfully say, Google developed the Android OS and right now Android phones are making very large inroads into smartphone sales - just at the time that Apple has screwed up both technologically and in PR terms on the iPhone 4.

And as for heading for "dangerous waters", I am willing to bet they'll not budge an inch will and stay where they are while water levels rise all around them. It's the ultimate fate of all proprietory technologies.

Originally Posted by Taipan

Insults aside can anyone top/counter/dispute this?

No. All I can say for certain is that in percentage terms, you're looking at in the region of 1% unsatisfied customers (iirc it's about 1.4% 3GS and under 1% iP4). Very few people hack or jailbreak their devices, those who do run the risk of encountering problems invariably when attempting to roll back to a previous version of firmware. Despite playing around with a fair few iPhones at various stages of corruption, I haven't met a permanently bricked one yet.

You have to remember there's MILLIONS of iPhones out there (over 50 million at the last count. Fifty. Million) and the vast majority, i.e. 99% are at least "satisfied" with their devices/services. Sadly, even 1% of that is still a large number of people who aren't. They are the more vocal ones. Otoh those who would dare claim to be happy with their iPhones are of course immediately branded as "idiots" by the iPhoneless.

Still, it's streets ahead of any other individual smartphone in terms of overall customer satisfaction ratings. Obviously, and do let me say it first, everyone who has an iPhone is a brand whore/idiot/fool/sucker etc. etc.

At least we're happy fools.

Let the hatred commence...

Screwd.

You have to remember there's MILLIONS of iPhones out there (over 50 million at the last count. Fifty. Million) and the vast majority, i.e. 99% are at least "satisfied" with their devices/services. Sadly, even 1% of that is still a large number of people who aren't.

Not hatred

But google suggests 73 - 77% satisfaction pre I4 launch depending on which report you choose to read.

Originally Posted by Pax

From all this talk of bricked, I'm doubly glad I went Android, 'cos I would never have been able to resist jailbreaking an iPhone, and probably fiddle with it some more after. Not surprisingly, sounds risky. Don't need to do hacks for what I want out of my Android, phew.

Rooting a phone is not just an iPhone phenomena, there are plenty of Android users rooting their phones to overcome some of the short comings in the OS and having a right headache.

The reasons on both sides for rooting appear to be either Apples OS restrictions or the Android OS short comings.

I don't understand this rooting phones, if the phone doesn't do what you want by default buy another model.

Originally Posted by Screwdriver

No. All I can say for certain is that in percentage terms, you're looking at in the region of 1% unsatisfied customers (iirc it's about 1.4% 3GS and under 1% iP4). Very few people hack or jailbreak their devices, those who do run the risk of encountering problems invariably when attempting to roll back to a previous version of firmware. Despite playing around with a fair few iPhones at various stages of corruption, I haven't met a permanently bricked one yet.

You have to remember there's MILLIONS of iPhones out there (over 50 million at the last count. Fifty. Million) and the vast majority, i.e. 99% are at least "satisfied" with their devices/services. Sadly, even 1% of that is still a large number of people who aren't. They are the more vocal ones. Otoh those who would dare claim to be happy with their iPhones are of course immediately branded as "idiots" by the iPhoneless.

Still, it's streets ahead of any other individual smartphone in terms of overall customer satisfaction ratings. Obviously, and do let me say it first, everyone who has an iPhone is a brand whore/idiot/fool/sucker etc. etc.

At least we're happy fools.

Let the hatred commence...

Screwd.

Well I must be one of the 1% then. Since the upgrade to v4 my 3g has been totally unusable. I need to find a way of going back to 3.something and when I've got a full day to spare I'll have a go.

Originally Posted by Screwdriver

Otoh those who would dare claim to be happy with their iPhones are of course immediately branded as "idiots" by the iPhoneless.

Not at all, they are iDiots.

Originally Posted by Screwdriver

No. All I can say for certain is that in percentage terms, you're looking at in the region of 1% unsatisfied customers (iirc it's about 1.4% 3GS and under 1% iP4). Very few people hack or jailbreak their devices, those who do run the risk of encountering problems invariably when attempting to roll back to a previous version of firmware. Despite playing around with a fair few iPhones at various stages of corruption, I haven't met a permanently bricked one yet.

You have to remember there's MILLIONS of iPhones out there (over 50 million at the last count. Fifty. Million) and the vast majority, i.e. 99% are at least "satisfied" with their devices/services. Sadly, even 1% of that is still a large number of people who aren't. They are the more vocal ones. Otoh those who would dare claim to be happy with their iPhones are of course immediately branded as "idiots" by the iPhoneless.

Still, it's streets ahead of any other individual smartphone in terms of overall customer satisfaction ratings. Obviously, and do let me say it first, everyone who has an iPhone is a brand whore/idiot/fool/sucker etc. etc.

At least we're happy fools.

Let the hatred commence...

Screwd.

My iPhone 3G has never been hacked or jailbroken - it is absolutely 100% vanilla.

If you PM me your postal address then when I get my phone back I'll happily send it to you to see if you can get working - no time limit. It will be sent in the original packaging.

Originally Posted by brownie

Rooting a phone is not just an iPhone phenomena, there are plenty of Android users rooting their phones to overcome some of the short comings in the OS and having a right headache.

The reasons on both sides for rooting appear to be either Apples OS restrictions or the Android OS short comings.

I don't understand this rooting phones, if the phone doesn't do what you want by default buy another model.

there isn't a model that does what people want by default, that's why they do it...(root) otherwise they would just purchase a phone that did.

Originally Posted by brownie

Rooting a phone is not just an iPhone phenomena, there are plenty of Android users rooting their phones to overcome some of the short comings in the OS and having a right headache.

The reasons on both sides for rooting appear to be either Apples OS restrictions or the Android OS short comings.

I don't understand this rooting phones, if the phone doesn't do what you want by default buy another model.

Is Android rooting that common? I've not had my Legend for that long, but haven't yet come across much cause to root it other than (geeky curiosity excepted) for tethering a laptop to the phone's internet connection. Which I can do already via usb or bluetooth, just not via wifi. And even then, it'll be a standard feature in Android 2.2 anyway.

I guess I'm probably still stuck being overawed by all the mental shit it can do to start looking for the few things it can't. Well, apart from lasting a sensible amount of time on one battery charge.

Originally Posted by stoo

Is Android rooting that common?

Yes, there's a lot of talk and experiences on;

Androidforums - All Things Root (Desire) - Android Forums
Modaco - HTC Desire - Desire.MoDaCo.com - Android @ MoDaCo
XDA developers - Desire Android Development - xda-developers

The most common reason to root is to enable SD Card storage, with the current release of Android only allowing applications to be installed into the internal memory you can quickly run out of memory. When apps can be stored and run from SD storage, the application size limit is obviously removed hence posher apps. This limitation is being removed when 2.2 ships, Android 2.2: Install Android Apps to SD Card | Android Tapp. Android App Reviews

Originally Posted by wheelnut

Well I must be one of the 1% then. Since the upgrade to v4 my 3g has been totally unusable. I need to find a way of going back to 3.something and when I've got a full day to spare I'll have a go.

I think he's talking about the actual iPhone 4 and not ios4. Plenty of 3g users are unhappy with ios4. Apparently it's a bit sluggish.