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    Default Section 5: Govt admits defeat

    Latest news is that Theresa May has accepted the Lords amendment to Section 5 of the Public Order Act. Details of the amendment and links to the bizarre alliance of opponents here Victory in the House of Lords | Reform Section 5

    Thank goodness. There weren't many cases, but it seemed to be building a head of steam that was deeply inimical to free speech.


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    Default Re: Section 5: Govt admits defeat

    Oops, I thought this was another firearms thread in the making...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deer Stalker View Post
    Oops, I thought this was another firearms thread in the making...
    Why, have you got some CS or Pepper Spray lying around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigyin View Post
    Why, have you got some CS or Pepper Spray lying around
    Ah good point, didn't actually realise they were section 5 so I have at least learnt something today...

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    Your mother was a hamster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigyin View Post
    Why, have you got some CS or Pepper Spray lying around
    Deep heat is where its at

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slothbear View Post
    Your mother was a hamster.
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    Default Re: Section 5: Govt admits defeat

    I now know what 250 is but still don't know what section 5 is, I'm guessing it was illegal to insult people but now it isn't.

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    I'm going to freeze peach.

    For my next sorbet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mussels View Post
    I now know what 250 is but still don't know what section 5 is, I'm guessing it was illegal to insult people but now it isn't.
    Section 5 Public Order Act 1986

    Scroll down for the Sec 5 Offence

    Public Order Act 1986

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    It will be interesting to see how this plays out, although I agree in theory. Difference between abusive and insulting is pretty narrow anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mussels View Post
    I now know what 250 is but still don't know what section 5 is, I'm guessing it was illegal to insult people but now it isn't.
    Its what plod uses to arrest you on a Friday when they can't see the funny side in you call them a *unt!

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    In one aspect some of TRC, a small some, should be relieved. They can't be charged with insulting our intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deer Stalker View Post
    Its what plod uses to arrest you on a Friday when they can't see the funny side in you call them a *unt!
    Or calling their horse gay?

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    Default Re: Section 5: Govt admits defeat

    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    It will be interesting to see how this plays out, although I agree in theory. Difference between abusive and insulting is pretty narrow anyway?
    I agree that there is a category of speech that is on the border between the two, but there are huge areas of discourse where insults are routinely traded without abuse. Politics is full of insult. Arguably, every sarcastic remark is an insult.

    Plus there's another dodgy borderline, that between insult and offence. Most of the notorious cases quoted by the RS5 lobby weren't insulting, in that there was no mens rea. Quite simply, somebody took offence at what somebody else had said or written, and claimed to have been "insulted".

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