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    After 45-year-old Miss Lindsay complained, an employment tribunal described Mr McAleese’s use of the words ‘golliwog’ and ‘golliwog jam’ as ‘unwanted’ and ruled that what he said amounted to ‘an isolated act of harassment’.

    That was despite the fact that Mr McAleese had swiftly apologised to his co-worker after the incident in January 2009 and said he had not intended to violate Miss Lindsay’s dignity or to ‘create an intimidating, hostile, degrading or offensive environment for her’.

    Three Appeal Court judges today upheld the tribunal’s harassment finding, even though Mr McAleese had spoken with his back turned, in a quiet voice and his comments were not aimed at Miss Lindsay, of Clapham, south London.

    Read more: Chef said the word 'golliwog' as he discussed Robertson's jam in front of black colleague | Mail Online

    noticed reading the article she was that offended it took 5 months to make a complaint ...


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    How on earth did that ever get to a court of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taipan View Post
    How on earth did that ever get to a court of law.
    I think the telling bit is here

    And Lord Justice Floyd agreed that the word ‘gollywog’ was ‘obviously racist and offensive’ if used in the presence of a black person.The most important issue in the case, he said, was ‘why did Mr McAleese say what he did? Was it because he knew he had used the word on the grounds of her race, but dressed it up as innocent chat? Or was it for some other reason?’
    Which is implying he called her a gollywog and then pretended it was an innocent mistake.

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    Lord Justice Floyd agreed that the word ‘gollywog’ was ‘obviously racist and offensive’ if used in the presence of a black person.
    Is it fuck. That’s a hell of an assumption he making on behalf of ALL black people. And if I had a conversation with a black person in the context of discussing the Golliwog image as a tool of oppression and it’s history, that’s not ‘offensive’. It’s called using a word. Once again, the principle of the context a word is used in seems to have been ignored here.

    I could say the work Nigger. And I have done, in a discussion about the word with someone I knew who was (and still is as far as I know) black. He didn’t get offended and he didn't misconstrue the use in the context. I didn't use it as a tool to offend or insult and neither was this. Probably.

    Mind you, we don't have a transcript of the offending conversations. He might have said 'Gollywog jam tastes of slaves' or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallett View Post
    Is it fuck. That’s a hell of an assumption he making on behalf of ALL black people. And if I had a conversation with a black person in the context of discussing the Golliwog image as a tool of oppression and it’s history, that’s not ‘offensive’. It’s called using a word. Once again, the principle of the context a word is used in seems to have been ignored here.

    I could say the work Nigger. And I have done, in a discussion about the word with someone I knew who was (and still is as far as I know) black. He didn’t get offended and he didn't misconstrue the use in the context. I didn't use it as a tool to offend or insult and neither was this. Probably.

    Mind you, we don't have a transcript of the offending conversations. He might have said 'Gollywog jam tastes of slaves' or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallett View Post
    I could say the work Nigger. And I have done, in a discussion about the word with someone I knew who was (and still is as far as I know) black. He didn’t get offended and he didn't misconstrue the use in the context. I didn't use it as a tool to offend or insult and neither was this. Probably.
    We were at a pub quiz a while back, its normally quite good fun since the quiz master always has some good alternative rounds rather than just the predictable ones, one is a movie round which involves knowing the movie. You get marks for the funniest wrong answer also which is always good when those answers are read out. Imagine the scene some yoghurt weavers caused when question 4 in the The Dambusters Movie round was "what was the name of Guy Gibson's Dog".

    And now imagine the look on my face and what I told them when they came over to tell me that they had complained and hoped I wasnt offended. FFS

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    How about people just grow up?

    Stop being horrible. Or risking sounding like you are. And if it happens, by genuine mistake, then apologise.

    You get a chance to enter a plea before a court hearing. So act like an adult human being at that point too ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by JamJar View Post
    I think the telling bit is here

    Which is implying he called her a gollywog and then pretended it was an innocent mistake.
    Even if that's true, to end up in a court of law for one racist remark. A court of law for one count of name calling. Seriously he said golliwog which she over heard and he apologised for and 5 months later she complains and it gets to a court of law with barristers and everything. FFS!

    "The effect Mr McAleese’s comments had on her, whilst upsetting, was ‘evidently short-lived’. He had quickly apologised and matters seemed to have settled down in the kitchen before Miss Lindsay lodged a formal grievance five months later."


    FWIW, I've worked at the LSE and no one there would be under any misapprehension about how the LSE would deal with racism, so I actually doubt he would have said it in a directly offensive manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taipan View Post
    FWIW, I've worked at the LSE and no one there would be under any misapprehension about how the LSE would deal with racism, so I actually doubt he would have said it in a directly offensive manner.
    Being directly offensive in that way is illegal.

    And rightly so, to promote social unity and wellbeing. In the long run.

    Where else should it have gone if not court?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaMan View Post
    Being directly offensive in that way is illegal.

    And rightly so, to promote social unity and wellbeing. In the long run.

    Where else should it have gone if not court?


    Internal discipline procedure, its what its there for. This was not an onslaught of racial abuse. It was an overheard remark whose direction or intention is ambiguous at best. It should not have reached a court of law.

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    What are they going to be calling this then?


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    Quote Originally Posted by go_slow View Post
    We were at a pub quiz a while back, its normally quite good fun since the quiz master always has some good alternative rounds rather than just the predictable ones, one is a movie round which involves knowing the movie. You get marks for the funniest wrong answer also which is always good when those answers are read out. Imagine the scene some yoghurt weavers caused when question 4 in the The Dambusters Movie round was "what was the name of Guy Gibson's Dog".

    And now imagine the look on my face and what I told them when they came over to tell me that they had complained and hoped I wasnt offended. FFS
    If the question was about the film, there would be two correct answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moth View Post
    What are they going to be calling this then?

    No doubt it will be sanitised like Agatha Christie's book. And Then There Were None - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by moth View Post
    What are they going to be calling this then?

    Not making it to boot camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moth View Post
    What are they going to be calling this then?

    looks like a good jam session to me

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