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    Default Destined to repeat mistakes . . . ?

    How often do people - ie riders - really learn from their mistakes?

    To do so may require cold, hard, honesty, with a level of introspection and self-awareness which needs to be developed and encouraged during training.

    Anyway, enough psychobabble, have an amusing vid:

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    Love to see the claims report from that one.
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    Twist & Go!

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    Default Re: Destined to repeat mistakes . . . ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lake View Post
    Twist & Gone!
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    Twist and going, going, gone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    How often do people - ie riders - really learn from their mistakes?

    To do so may require cold, hard, honesty, with a level of introspection and self-awareness which needs to be developed and encouraged during training.
    Prompted by
    You'll be well aware that according to MCRC & others, the statistically likely outcome from an RTC is that {its value in demonstrating the riders' tendency to have that type of accident}, outweighs {the likelihood that they will learn & improve} [otherwise 'no-claims' bonuses would increase the cost of your insurance ].

    The phrase SMIDSY has come about from bikers saying, or thinking, or implying, "it was a SMIDSY so there was nothing I could have done" whereas it takes two to tangle, and if we blindly assume RoW will protect us it's likely to be a brief & painful riding career [well... not really, because most people get away with it, but ykwim].
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    Prompted by instructors - the well-hidden hint was the 'during training' bit
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    Default Re: Destined to repeat mistakes . . . ?

    Seen that one before... it is quite remarkable!

    So watched one of the others... epic fails. What's perhaps more surprising than people repeating the same mistake is that people perform such daft, often painful and sometimes life-threatening stunts for "fun", presumably because they believe they are capable of pulling it off... not so different from "finely-judged overtaking" is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Spin Doctor View Post
    ... people perform such daft, often painful and sometimes life-threatening stunts for "fun", presumably because they believe they are capable of pulling it off...
    Wot, like this ? (although pulling it off ... better, at least... needn't have been that taxing ).

    Help for the Hard of Thinking required, methinks.
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    Default Re: Destined to repeat mistakes . . . ?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Spin Doctor View Post
    What's perhaps more surprising than people repeating the same mistake is that people perform such daft, often painful and sometimes life-threatening stunts for "fun", presumably because they believe they are capable of pulling it off... not so different from "finely-judged overtaking" is it?
    Horrible parallels in what you're saying with serious incidents amongst the community I work with, where things often seem to badly wrong when people often either deliberately or 'accidentally' [brain fade, confusion] do what they're not supposed to do, have been trained not to do, and had a daily pre-work briefing reminding them not to do . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    ... serious incidents amongst the community I work with, where things often seem to badly wrong when people...
    community = ? ? ?

    Maybe this is just human error the world over - iirc TMI went tits up because [among other things, as ever] they changed to another cooling system. Which had big swing-tags all over it saying "this cooling system is in bits, do not use" .

    Brain surgery and rocket science are very rare human endeavours... most of the things that we screw up required only very basic skills to do right (like having yer bike in gear for a fast start)...
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    Air crash investigations are really informative in the ways errors occur... and many of the same types of errors show up in driving too.
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    There's also the 'chain' explanation, which works in the opposite way.

    'Swiss cheese' suggests that the system will persevere if one aspect holds (eg good software may overcome poor training and rubbish procedures), but 'chain' says you rely on every 'link' to hold.

    Think abseiling . . . trained tick, good rope tick, rope tied securely tick, wearing a helmet tick, forgot to fasten harness correctly . . .
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    I read the cheese model as the system will perservere if one aspect holds...
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