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I'm probably goint to do some T&G cladding on a ceiling (yeah, I know, not my first choice but this is an old house and ...

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    Question T&G cladding on ceiling

    I'm probably goint to do some T&G cladding on a ceiling (yeah, I know, not my first choice but this is an old house and there's a bit of flex to the ceiling / floor above - plasterboard is likely to crack at the joints). The T&G is going between some existing beams to cover some wiring, I'll also prolly be sandwiching in some insulation to provide a bit of noise reduction & reduce heat loss. The overall effect will be toned down by painting the T&G so it doesn't look like a huge sauna room.

    Anyway I need to put battens up first to provide a gap for the insulation and wiring but how far to space them? I was thinking maybe every 30" would be about right? Anything else I need to consider? What's the easiest way to fix T&G to battens on the ceiling?
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    The last time I fitted T&G cladding, IIRC the batten spacing was around 24" and I used the little clips to secure it which resulted in no visible nails apart for the last piece which I covered using a bit of quadrant.

    On this job I screwed the frame to the wall and the exposed beam (slanting roof, levelled off with cladding to cover joist) However when I put in the new ceiling in the spare room, it was a case of loads of pilot holes through the exsiting ceiling until I found the correct spacing for the existing joists. Bastard things worked out to be 14"

    TBF it didn't matter what the old ceiling looked like as it was getting overboarded.

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    Info here - http://www.wickes.co.uk/content/ebiz...ages/gil/9.pdf

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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    TVM
    How do the clips work?
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    You could secret nail them through the tongues at a 45 degree angle instead.





    That picture isn't too good as the nail goes at more of an angle than that, if you angle it enough it holds the board but the next board covers the little hole with its groove.
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by DefTrap View Post
    TVM
    How do the clips work?
    If they are the ones I'm thinking off the metal tab slides into the groove and you nail the exposed section of the clip onto the batton. At the ends you nail normally and fill. Crappy drawing attached.

    Nail gun and hidden nailing is easier imho but you have to make sure you are at 45 degrees or so going through, if the nail comes out of the bottom of the tongue the next peice will not be able to push into place properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by go_slow View Post
    If they are the ones I'm thinking off the metal tab slides into the groove and you nail the exposed section of the clip onto the batton. At the ends you nail normally and fill. Crappy drawing attached.

    Nail gun and hidden nailing is easier imho but you have to make sure you are at 45 degrees or so going through, if the nail comes out of the bottom of the tongue the next peice will not be able to push into place properly.
    Ah-a I see! Done the hidden nailing thing before - looks like it may get a bit tedious with this sorta area.
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    Incidentally - when it comes to insulation, can I just put rockwool into the gap between cladding and old (wooden) ceiling?
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by DefTrap View Post
    Ah-a I see! Done the hidden nailing thing before - looks like it may get a bit tedious with this sorta area.
    Nailguns are your friend. Even cheap ones work pretty well IME. On the odd occasion when the nail doesn't go far enough in, tap it home with an awl and pin hammer

    One of the most useful tools I own, I only bought it to put a close-boarded fence up but it gets used a lot
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgy View Post
    Nailguns are your friend. Even cheap ones work pretty well IME. On the odd occasion when the nail doesn't go far enough in, tap it home with an awl and pin hammer

    One of the most useful tools I own, I only bought it to put a close-boarded fence up but it gets used a lot
    I love toolery - some of the cheapuns aren't too bad - my recent 10 heat gun is doing sterling work. Outillage here I come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DefTrap View Post
    Ah-a I see! Done the hidden nailing thing before - looks like it may get a bit tedious with this sorta area.
    Fair point, I have a nailgun though.
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    Can't seem to find a 'pistolet de clous' at any of the online bricolage. Tricksty French beggars.

    Anyone got any views on this then?

    Quote Originally Posted by DefTrap View Post
    Incidentally - when it comes to insulation, can I just put rockwool into the gap between cladding and old (wooden) ceiling?
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by DefTrap View Post
    Incidentally - when it comes to insulation, can I just put rockwool into the gap between cladding and old (wooden) ceiling?

    Can't see why not.

    Mine is from top to bottom:

    Dust and hairballs, danish oil, floorboards, sand cement mix with heating pipes, 10mm sterling board, 150mm glassfibre insulation, 10 mm sterling board, wires & dust& pipes, plasterboard, paint, paint and paint.
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    Incidentally - when it comes to insulation, can I just put rockwool into the gap between cladding and old (wooden) ceiling?

    You can, but its a good idea to staple a plastic sheet in place after the insulations in there otherwise it will keep falling down on you and it will get in your eyes, lungs, down the back of your neck, pretty much everywhere while you are pinning the cladding up.

    In fact, given the choice I would rather give that kind of job to a labourer. Don't mind doing the cladding but I can't stand doing insulation.
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    Quote Originally Posted by demographic View Post
    Incidentally - when it comes to insulation, can I just put rockwool into the gap between cladding and old (wooden) ceiling?

    You can, but its a good idea to staple a plastic sheet in place after the insulations in there otherwise it will keep falling down on you and it will get in your eyes, lungs, down the back of your neck, pretty much everywhere while you are pinning the cladding up.

    In fact, given the choice I would rather give that kind of job to a labourer. Don't mind doing the cladding but I can't stand doing insulation.
    cavity wall batts are quite good, just rockwool that is "starched" so it stays in one piece and can be handled easily. I presume they are still around, it is twenty years since I bought any.
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    Default Re: T&G cladding on ceiling

    Yeah, rockwool is a bastard to use I s'pose. I've seen a more modern equivalent - silvery blanket stuff - but I assume that has more insulating qualities than noise reduction? Ideally I'd want something that does both, not too expensive and not a pain to use - is that too much too ask?
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