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    Default 4t / 2t

    Any opinions on the latest gen 2 strokes compared to 4 strokes?

    Thinking Enduro spec and thinking 250 - 300 2 smoker as an alternative to a 250 4T. Apparently these modern smokers have lots and lots of low down torque right where you need it for slow speed stuff.

    Any experience?

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    My mate here has a 250 KTM freerider. Plenty of grunt. But lacks engine brake.

    Gonna try a 400/450 4T before I buy.

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    How modern?

    In the early 00's I had a KDX220R and my old man had a DRZ400E, both 'competition enduro' rather than off road styled bikes (albeit quite soft ones compared to KTM, GasGas, etc..).

    The KDX would lift it's front wheel over ruts using the throttle in the first 3 gears. The DRZ would dig a hole with the rear wheel if you tried the same. I loved the KDX, but pre-mix was a killer when out trail riding, the DRZ you could fill up with pump fuel anywhere.

    If you're planing on a road going enduro, then I doubt any two stroke stuff meets Euro 4 standards so may be difficult to register if required.

    I think modern competition 250 four bangers are almost as maintenance intensive as the older two smokes they replaced.

    I guess the questions to ask are, how hard an enduro bike do you want, does it need to be road registered and how new do you want?

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    Default Re: 4t / 2t

    Quote Originally Posted by KungFooBob View Post
    How modern?

    In the early 00's I had a KDX220R and my old man had a DRZ400E, both 'competition enduro' rather than off road styled bikes (albeit quite soft ones compared to KTM, GasGas, etc..).

    The KDX would lift it's front wheel over ruts using the throttle in the first 3 gears. The DRZ would dig a hole with the rear wheel if you tried the same. I loved the KDX, but pre-mix was a killer when out trail riding, the DRZ you could fill up with pump fuel anywhere.

    If you're planing on a road going enduro, then I doubt any two stroke stuff meets Euro 4 standards so may be difficult to register if required.

    I think modern competition 250 four bangers are almost as maintenance intensive as the older two smokes they replaced.

    I guess the questions to ask are, how hard an enduro bike do you want, does it need to be road registered and how new do you want?
    Road not much of an issue, all my mates are using vans / trailers.

    I'm thinking year old 2016 model, these new Beta's are getting a good rep. The Racing version iuses premix only, the slightly softer 250 / 300 has an auto lube system which apparently works - unusual for an auto lube but its been a lot of years in development.

    http://www.betamotor.com/en/enduro/b...t-250-300-2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by anteater View Post
    Road not much of an issue, all my mates are using vans / trailers.

    I'm thinking year old 2016 model, these new Beta's are getting a good rep. The Racing version iuses premix only, the slightly softer 250 / 300 has an auto lube system which apparently works - unusual for an auto lube but its been a lot of years in development.

    http://www.betamotor.com/en/enduro/b...t-250-300-2017
    Any prices?

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    Jings Euro 4 2T!!!

    For the 250 and 300 2T, introduced in 2016, the automatic oil injection system continues: as well as ensuring a perfect fuel-oil mix under any condition, it eliminates the trouble of having to premix the oil and fuel and eliminating the need to carry oil with you in the event of a fuel top up.
    Both propulsion systems are in line with the Euro4 European regulation – for units made in the second half of the year – and have a control unit designed for a CAN connection to interact with generic diagnosis instruments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorick View Post
    Any prices?
    A mates going to see a dealer this week, I'll get the lowdown from him and post it here


    UK specs here http://www.beta-uk.com/index.php/all...uro/2017-rr-2t

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    Default Re: 4t / 2t

    Like the look of the Xtrainer. Softer, more all round and a Euro 4 compliant 2T. Edmundson's display prices on their website. Low volume Italian manufacturer so I'd imagine discounts are not easy to negotiate.

    http://www.edmondson-racing.co.uk/pr...17-enduro.html


    Enduro range list prices

    http://www.edmondson-racing.co.uk/pr...duro-2017.html

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    Modern 2T?
    Are there any modern ones? I thought they were using 1990's designed motors?

    The Beta bikes are utterly gash, the last one I rode must have been a 2013 one and it was so utterly crap that I couldn't wait to get off it.
    I asked a dealer here about them (ex-international racer) and he said it was like riding a banana (whatever that means) and advised me to stay away from them.

    2T or 4T depends on how you ride.
    I could never get used to a 4T, they always push the front end wide on bends and I could never find a way to overcome it. I raced for two years on a 4T MX bike and didn't do too badly, but I was never comfortable on it. I think it balanced itself out though because a 4T is easier to ride steady than a 2T - they're both as hard to race at 100%, but once you're knackered it's a lot easier to cruise at 70% on a 4T than it is on a 2T, ITMS.
    If you're fit and reasonably fast then IMHO it's a 2T all the way, but if you're not fit (and/or want to cruise) then you're probably going to be quicker in the long run on a 4T.

    When I had my 300exc my mate had a 450exc, and at the beginning of an enduro we both wanted to be on the 300exc, it was sharper and brilliant to ride. But after an hour or so we both agreed we'd prefer to be on the 450exc, just because you could get away with murder on it. If you were tired and were in the wrong gear, no matter, just twist the throttle and it would pull you up the hill or out of the ditch, whereas the 300exc would just bog down.

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    We had a KTM 250EXC enduro bike (2T). I expected it to be a monster but in fact it was very rideable low down and only got lairy when you really revved it. I sold it after the boy stopped racing and I was only using it for green laning, there wasn't much point using a 2 year old race bike to potter round the occasional green lane, though it did do it really well. The 4T versions did have a bit more low down punch but TBH that made them a bit unpleasant for laning as they'd want to lurch forward with just a whiff of throttle. The 2T are a bit thirstier and it's a pain to premix the oil, however they are also a bit lighter than the 4T. Either is good so it really comes down to personal preferences.

    The 300 is supposed to have a lot more torque than the 250 which some people like but again it's whether you want that whiff/lurch thing.

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    My current bike is a beta 300. It's incredibly torquey and smooth,so easy to ride. I've had 450,250 and 300 4 strokes and a previous 250 and 300 2 stroke (all different makes) This beta is by far the easiest to ride,fresh or tired.
    I have an expert/vet level mate, who was a ktm man for years just buy one and he's smitten. Same with a top 3 clubman mate.
    At the other end of the spectrum another mate bought a 300 xtrainer and it's transformed his riding.
    Id really advise you to try a few if you can. You are most welcome to try my beta if you are up north.
    I know it's natural to recommend your own bike but I'm well known for never being happy and swapping bikes regularly,this is the only one I can't fault.

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    Another thing with the 2 strokes is that most of them have adjustable power valves so you can adjust from mild to mental. Makes a massive difference.

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    I've been on the likes of thumpertalk and read the comments section of adventureOZ and people really rave about the Betas. I prefer Husqvarna but all the premium bikes are much of a muchness! Gear levers get loose, things break, etc with heavy off road use. I doubt the Betas are any different!

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    I'm pretty impressed with everything I'v'e read / seen about the 2015 onwards Beta's, but what really gets me going oooooooh, is watching the vids for the 2 strokes, - the lack of smoke going from off throttle to wapping it open is a fascination for me.

    Turning back into a geek again......

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