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    Default Re: Tell me why I should not vote Conservative on June 8th ...

    The wealth divide is increasing, so can you realistically not expect the poorer members of our society to NGAS about increasing taxes for the rich?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant View Post
    Having said that, Labour has a history (and their voters) of wanting to increase their wealth at the expense of others. It's a 'I don't have it, so why should you' mentality. The Lib Dims are the same with their 'mansion tax' - a classic of can't afford it yourself, so penalise those who can.
    Most of those 'who can', actually got rich off the backs of those who can't, see it as redistribution of the wealth, not robbing the lovely rich people, eg Phillip Green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch99 View Post
    Most of those 'who can', actually got rich off the backs of those who can't, see it as redistribution of the wealth, not robbing the lovely rich people, eg Phillip Green.
    Well, not entirely.

    See mansion tax. Well the value of 1m or more, can only have happened from the corrupt inflation of house prices. Say back in the 70s or so when someone bought that property, they never paid so much money for that house at all. Cash poor, asset rich, doesn't matter to the Lib Dims, they haven't thought this through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant View Post
    Having said that, Labour has a history (and their voters) of wanting to increase their wealth at the expense of others. It's a 'I don't have it, so why should you' mentality. The Lib Dims are the same with their 'mansion tax' - a classic of can't afford it yourself, so penalise those who can.
    You do realise that almost everyone who is wealthy, in the UK, has achieved that either by


    • being granted lands around the time of the Norman Conquest
    • exploiting workers, consumers and the inventions of other people
    • or betting on the activities of people and organisations in the above 2 categories
    • or taking serious risks, almost none of which fall upon themselves. ...


    ... so I'm not sure it's all about sheer envy, is it?

    Do you think there is such a thing as social justice?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaMan View Post

    Do you think
    You had him there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch99 View Post
    Raise the minimum wage, make working pay, less chance of economic migration if the jobs are filled already.
    Here is a chart of GDP per Capita in European countries (based on IMF data). You're having a laugh aren't you?

    Exactly why do you think that citizens of EU countries at the lower end of the chart would no longer want to emigrate from their countries when one would expect quite the converse? Tricky question I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    Here is a chart of GDP per Capita in European countries (based on IMF data). You're having a laugh aren't you?

    Exactly why do you think that citizens of EU countries at the lower end of the chart would no longer want to emigrate from their countries when one would expect quite the converse? Tricky question I know.
    To Emigrate suggests filling a job/role, if we enable the existing people into work, there would be less open positions. Still the Tory idea of shutting the door on the EU, and then importing the workers from 3rd world countries, so we can pay them even less sounds aces

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch99 View Post
    To Emigrate suggests filling a job/role, if we enable the existing people into work, there would be less open positions. Still the Tory idea of shutting the door on the EU, and then importing the workers from 3rd world countries, so we can pay them even less sounds aces
    You have conveniently forgotten that as members of the EU the UK is by Treaty prohibited from differentiating between EU citizens by country of origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch99 View Post
    Raise the minimum wage, make working pay, less chance of economic migration if the jobs are filled already.
    Good idea.
    Certainly worked for the miners, making British coal dead expensive was a massive success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    Here's a stock photo of your 'talking'.
    No watermark, miles better, see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by icarus1859 View Post
    The difference is that Cameron came back with very little.
    The LibDems would come back without their shirt, no shoes on and announcing that they'd formed a coalition to sell everyones kidneys to Bulgaria.


    There is that possibility, but also the possibility they could find more common ground as democratic socialists and obtain a better deal in cooperation, rather than adversity.

    Or not. I don't know

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post


    There is that possibility, but also the possibility they could find more common ground as democratic socialists and obtain a better deal in cooperation, rather than adversity.
    Is that a Gloucester Old Spot or an Oxford Sandy and Black on final approach?

    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    Or not. I don't know
    Not would also be my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    No watermark, miles better, see!
    Not fussy about watermarks tbh, but I'll try to avoid them so as not to offend your tender sensibilities. x

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    Quote Originally Posted by saga_lout View Post
    Is that a Gloucester Old Spot or an Oxford Sandy and Black on final approach?
    I only knew what you meant by not using google because GOS sausages are delicious from the local butcher

    It's not my tender sensibilities; I was looking out for you and making sure you didn't look lazy by simply grabbing the first crap one you came across! Now you can be sarcastic AND look more professional

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    I only knew what you meant by not using google because GOS sausages are delicious from the local butcher

    It's not my tender sensibilities; I was looking out for you and making sure you didn't look lazy by simply grabbing the first crap one you came across! Now you can be sarcastic AND look more professional
    I thought I was agreeing with you.

    And there's no shame in Googling, that's what it's for. I knew Gloucester Old Spot, I Googled for another rare breed pig and Oxford Sandy and Black was the name that most appealed to me.

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