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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    I watched quite a bit of the proceedings. On the evidence presented so far I do not believe the Senate would vote by a two thirds majority to remove Trump from office.
    Of course not. Republicans will need pictures of him raping a kitten while murdering a baby. Watching Nunes repeatedly lean on well debunked conspiracy bullshit day after day, this is apparent. The Republican majority Senate has been at the same Fox News well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillitt View Post
    Its not gone well for several of them...
    Yep, the lot of them were aware of the dealings of the President via his personal attorney, Giuliani, including the VP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    I watched quite a bit of the proceedings. On the evidence presented so far I do not believe the Senate would vote by a two thirds majority to remove Trump from office.

    Most of the *evidence* presented is hearsay & won't be admissible in the Senate hearing. If you discount all the hearsay, feelings & assumption then the Democrats basically have nothing at all. A lot of Dems I know are turning against the party purely because of Schiff & his pantomime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trump Haters
    I can't have it, so I don't want anyone else to have it
    Meanwhile back in the real world.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRX61 View Post
    Most of the *evidence* presented is hearsay & won't be admissible in the Senate hearing. If you discount all the hearsay, feelings & assumption then the Democrats basically have nothing at all. A lot of Dems I know are turning against the party purely because of Schiff & his pantomime.
    Don't be silly.

    Trump has given instructions that no State Department documents may be released to anyone involved in the inquiry, not even the ones they themselves submitted to the State Department.

    Can't imagine why, can you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    Don't be silly.

    Trump has given instructions that no State Department documents may be released to anyone involved in the inquiry, not even the ones they themselves submitted to the State Department.

    Can't imagine why, can you?
    Which has no bearing on the Senate trial... The Dems have known from Day One that impeachment will fail once it reaches the Senate.

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    The details that seem to not matter to some folks

    Rudy Giuliani, working on behalf of his only client, Donald Trump, went to Ukraine to run a smear campaign with the aid of Lutsenko, a corrupt Ukrainian official. A smear campaign against Marie Yovanovitch, an American citizen with years of experience at her post. A diplomat that Trump could have simply dismissed at his pleasure without cause. Nope, he had to go full on with a character assassination and send his attorney and a hand full of other hit men on staff, like Sondland.
    Trump could have pulled off his strongarm deal quietly, but nope, he had to rattle the cages of the whole goddam entourage. This has brought forth a fair number of very credible witnesses that all had the exact same concerns and conclusions that Trump was using not only a large bag of cash, but diplomacy for a nation attempting to become a valid player by cleaning up the corruption that had run rampant through its government for quite some time. A meeting to give Russia the impression that the USA has Ukraine's back was also held up as collateral. Not for dirt on Biden. Just for the announcement that there might be dirt because by golly, Ukraine is going to start looking at Joe Biden's son. Through in a large dose of CT that had been debunked for a long time yet Rudy was trundling it around like a carny barker.

    Trump's defenders seem to focus on tiny bits and pieces frosted with CT to either denigrate the witnesses statements or character while not really addressing all the evidence that the lot of them have dumped on their heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRX61 View Post
    Which has no bearing on the Senate trial... The Dems have known from Day One that impeachment will fail once it reaches the Senate.
    Of course they know this. Just like they know Mitch McConnell is going to let the legislation they've passed, much of it bipartisan, sit untouched on his desk. Devin Nunes' pissing and moaning about the impeachment hearings preventing the House from passing legislation is just one of many fairy tales he's telling. The House has been passing bills. They've voted on several between the hearings. That'll all go to McConnell's desk to accumulate cobwebs.

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    Ah, diddums. Did the nasty lady not put your picture on the wall then? Trump says fired envoy refused to hang his picture

    President Donald Trump has pilloried an envoy who testified in the impeachment inquiry, claiming she refused to hang his photo in the US embassy in Ukraine.

    Mr Trump told Fox News' morning show former ambassador Marie Yovanovitch "didn't want to hang my picture in the embassy" in Ukraine.

    The president did not offer further details about the matter.

    Ms Yovanovitch testified last week that she was fired over "false claims" by people with "questionable motives".



    What a pathetic whinging shit he is.

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    So what's the issue this week? First it was Russian Collusion, then it was QPQ, then bribery...

    There was no QPQ, there was no investigation by Ukraine into the Bidens, There was never any announcement by Ukraine, Ukraine got the missiles, Z got to meet Trump (at the UN). All the things the Dems etc claim were required of Ukraine to release the missiles never happened.
    Is Trump a bellend for his twitter use & personal attacks? Sure, but that's not an impeachable offense.

    & now we find out someone at the FBI is about to get dropped right in the shit for changing documents that lead to the FISA warrant etc... So the very thing that started this entire farce is now known to have been based on lies by some twat at the FBI.

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    Lev Parnas wants to give evidence now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    I watched quite a bit of the proceedings. On the evidence presented so far I do not believe the Senate would vote by a two thirds majority to remove Trump from office.
    I agree with that, problem for the Republicans will be that the electorate will see them toadying to Trump and they become so toxic to vote for they are unelectable for a generation.

    Or they can strap a pair on, get rid of him and his quite obviously corrupt cronies and fairly soon they might be seen as Not Too Bad.

    So in short, they either impeach him or face being unelectable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRX61 View Post
    So what's the issue this week? First it was Russian Collusion, then it was QPQ, then bribery...

    There was no QPQ, there was no investigation by Ukraine into the Bidens, There was never any announcement by Ukraine, Ukraine got the missiles, Z got to meet Trump (at the UN). All the things the Dems etc claim were required of Ukraine to release the missiles never happened.
    Is Trump a bellend for his twitter use & personal attacks? Sure, but that's not an impeachable offense.

    & now we find out someone at the FBI is about to get dropped right in the shit for changing documents that lead to the FISA warrant etc... So the very thing that started this entire farce is now known to have been based on lies by some twat at the FBI.
    You're Elise Stefanik and I claim my soapy tenner.

    You are also getting into the trap of looking silly. QPQ, bribery, they're pretty much the same thing regarding Trump's behavior. He was holding something the Ukrainians desperately needed. Financial support to defend themselves from Putin's fucknuttery, and more importantly a display of US support to maybe get Putin to dial it back a little bit. In exchange as observed by many, Ukraine had to make a public statement that they were not only looking into corruption, but they had to specifically name Barisma. They got caught though so the axe didn't fall. They need to dumb it down as latin is a fern language most Trump supporters don't understand.

    OH, those missiles you and Ms Stefanik like to keep shouting about. The Ukrainians are not permitted to use them on the front lines.

    But while there is evidence that the Javelin sale has been a powerful gesture of support for Kyiv, the missiles’ military application has been far more limited. Under the conditions of the foreign military sale, the Trump administration stipulates that the Javelins must be stored in western Ukraine—hundreds of miles from the battlefield.
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03...ed-in-ukraine/

    Oh, BTW, he did not want to give them Javelins in the first place and had to be talked into the deal.

    But current and former officials who were privy to the decision in December 2017 to provide the missiles to Ukraine told Foreign Policy that Trump had been reluctant to go ahead with the move and only did so when aides persuaded him that it could be good for U.S. business.
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/15...itank-missile/

    Just to save you time looking it up, the source is deemed to be very factual with a slightly right bias. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/foreign-policy/
    The aid got released AFTER the whistle blower drew attention to the crime. One doesn't have to successfully rob a bank to get in a wee bit of trouble for trying. It was held back BY TRUMP HIMSELF without explanation. In spite of everyone that knew their arse from their elbow about what was happening in Ukraine was adamant that it needed to be delivered. Not tomorrow, not next week, but goddam months ago when Congress approved it. BiFuckingLaterally.

    Nancy Pelosi, as much as you love to hate her, was right, Trump would eventually impeach himself. Adam Schiff, as much as you love to hate him, has done a good job of finding witnesses that would testify and putting them in a pretty damn impressive order for maximum impact.

    Oh, just in case you didn't notice it, the hearings we've been enjoying have not very much to do with the Steele dossier other than Nunes bringing them to continue with the "but they do it too mantra." The icing on the cake for him is, incorrectly I might add, stating that all that shit was paid for by Democrats. That porky is a porky. During the primaries the dirt on Trump was being purchased by Republican opponents of Trump. But that doesn't quite sound as good as Hillary dunnit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillitt View Post
    Lev Parnas wants to give evidence now.
    That has the potential to cause problems for quite a few people.

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