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    PS Spin, they talk on the site about the licencing necessary for it in Holland and access to restricted lanes v- so they're being open and honest about what market they are aiming for. Will it succeed? I'd like to hope so. FWIW, Your cheaper alternatives won't keep rider and passenger dry and won't have built-in luggage space. Could keep pizzas warmer too That said, you're unlikely to see them carrying the sort of loads that bikes do in some countries!
    I'm always happy to see unusual designs - it helps push all bike design forward... but given that the Dutch seem quite happy cycling around in the cold and the wind, I'm not sold on the warmth angle! Passenger - I don't think you can carry one without a licence. I think that applies to the micro-cars too. Isn't the Renault Twizzy a single seat?

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    The Carver looks interesting to me as someone unable to ride a "proper" motorbike any-more but that could be a convenient answer, at a price though! The range could be an issue. Having got 320 miles from tank-full on my Triumph, only 100 kilometres from a battery-full is a bit limiting. Also I'd like to now just how widely available charging points will be in the future. Walking 5 miles for a tank of petrol was a pain but having to push this thing miles to an electric socket would be worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawker View Post
    The Carver looks interesting to me as someone unable to ride a "proper" motorbike any-more but that could be a convenient answer, at a price though! The range could be an issue. Having got 320 miles from tank-full on my Triumph, only 100 kilometres from a battery-full is a bit limiting. Also I'd like to now just how widely available charging points will be in the future. Walking 5 miles for a tank of petrol was a pain but having to push this thing miles to an electric socket would be worse.
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    Its nice to see that after a long gap in posting the C word is still a popular discussion item

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    Its nice to see that after a long gap in posting the C word is still a popular discussion item
    Hiya Chap! How are you keeping? Nice to see you back

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayglo jim View Post
    Its nice to see that after a long gap in posting the C word is still a popular discussion item
    Long time no see. Have you been wearing hi viz again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scootabout View Post
    Just wondering if a three-wheeler might counter-steer if the rear wheels were capable of leaning? Maybe even if not but the front and rear were jointed so that the front could move (twist) separately from the rear?
    Sorry, I'm late to the party here but since someone has resurrected the thread I'll respond to Scoot's post. Take a look at the, probably well deserved, much maligned Ariel 3. Putting aside its complete failure, at least appreciate that someone thought of making a tricycle that could lean into corners in a similar way to a motorcycle.

    Before anyone asks, no I don't have one, but I would ride one for the hell of it.

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    Sorry, I'm late to the party here but since someone has resurrected the thread I'll respond to Scoot's post. Take a look at the, probably well deserved, much maligned Ariel 3. Putting aside its complete failure, at least appreciate that someone thought of making a tricycle that could lean into corners in a similar way to a motorcycle.

    Before anyone asks, no I don't have one, but I would ride one for the hell of it.
    I was wondering if it was related to the Ariel Square Four, perhaps having the full name of the Ariel Triangular Three. Then I googled....
    Was it an early prototype of the mobility scooter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scootabout View Post
    I was wondering if it was related to the Ariel Square Four, perhaps having the full name of the Ariel Triangular Three. Then I googled....
    Was it an early prototype of the mobility scooter?
    Honda did a tilting trike to, the Stream:

    http://suprememotos.com/honda/5510-h...e-scooter.html

    IIRC they did something like buy up rights to the Ariel's tilting mechanism - then didn't use it

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    Honda did a tilting trike to, the Stream:

    http://suprememotos.com/honda/5510-h...e-scooter.html

    IIRC they did something like buy up rights to the Ariel's tilting mechanism - then didn't use it
    Looks like a cross between a Honda Helix and a Sinclair C5.

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    Honda did a tilting trike to, the Stream:

    http://suprememotos.com/honda/5510-h...e-scooter.html

    IIRC they did something like buy up rights to the Ariel's tilting mechanism - then didn't use it
    I'd forgotten all about the Stream!

    The MP3 is pretty popular in London, even the Met are using them!

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    When BMW sold the C1 enclosed scooter, the dealer manual actually noted that rider should be taught countersteering. Bearing in mind that the rider is strapped in (so can't move their body), there's no petrol tank to 'press knees against' and is a recumbant feet-first riding position so no 'weighting the footrests'. That only leaves the bars!

    We had a back to biking trainee who came back to tellus how useful counters testing was for cycle racing off-road.
    First time I rode a C1 I had a vague feeling of motion sickness; leaning I could cope with but having a tilting cab upset my mojo somewhat (brain didn't immediately reconcile that my eyes saw a car windscreen and roof support but I knew I was on a bike (of sorts)).

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    Hiya Chap! How are you keeping? Nice to see you back
    I've been here and there and down your manor a few times. Headed out to Cold Ash the other day and dustcart had gone through the road!

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    Long time no see. Have you been wearing hi viz again?
    Again? Never stopped.

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    Again? Never stopped.
    Who said that? I can't see anyone.


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