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    Looks like another Ducati Weekend. Yamaha continue to struggle after Brno

    Whats yer predictions then?

    Cla # Rider Bike Laps Time Gap
    1 4 Andrea Dovizioso Ducati 22 1'23.830
    2 99 Jorge Lorenzo Ducati 19 1'24.045 0.215
    3 9 Danilo Petrucci Ducati 22 1'24.320 0.490
    4 93 Marc Marquez Honda 22 1'24.411 0.581
    5 29 Andrea Iannone Suzuki 23 1'24.436 0.606
    6 26 Dani Pedrosa Honda 23 1'24.474 0.644
    7 35 Cal Crutchlow Honda 22 1'24.491 0.661
    8 53 Tito Rabat Ducati 25 1'24.676 0.846
    9 5 Johann Zarco Yamaha 22 1'24.767 0.937
    10 25 Maverick Viñales Yamaha 19 1'24.835 1.005
    11 46 Valentino Rossi Yamaha 20 1'24.884 1.054
    12 41 Aleix Espargaro Aprilia 22 1'24.904 1.074
    13 19 Alvaro Bautista Ducati 23 1'24.938 1.108
    14 42 Alex Rins Suzuki 22 1'24.939 1.109
    15 38 Bradley Smith KTM 23 1'24.973 1.143
    16 30 Takaaki Nakagami Honda 23 1'25.011 1.181
    17 21 Franco Morbidelli Honda 24 1'25.107 1.277
    18 43 Jack Miller Ducati 21 1'25.184 1.354
    19 45 Scott Redding Aprilia 21 1'25.354 1.524
    20 17 Karel Abraham Ducati 20 1'25.541 1.711
    21 55 Hafizh Syahrin Yamaha 21 1'25.594 1.764
    22 10 Xavier Simeon Ducati 21 1'25.752 1.922
    23 12 Thomas Luthi Honda 23 1'25.979 2.149

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    You wouldn't bet against MM but he's smart enough to take the points if a win's not there. So who knows. Since Ducati started listening to their riders they've made a lot of progress.

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    As has been pointed out (Mat Oxley, I believe) it's essentially three drag strips with a few curves thrown in to make it feel like a circuit. It's got Ducati written all over it*.

    *although Marquez made it fun last year.

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    Interesting to see where the Brits ended up when it got wet.


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    They're talking on BT Sport now about the problems that Yamaha have. Both crew chiefs rumoured to be unhappy/leaving. And how the Yamaha is a "good" bike but not a "great" one, the problem is that it doesn't excel at anything. Strikes me their problem is fundamental and deep rooted, because what it stems from is the fact that for many years they have simply built bikes that Rossi likes. This is not a Rossi knocking post before any knee jerking starts off, just think about it. When Rossi took the M1 seat in 2004 the bike was far from its disappointing beginnings and had been developed to within a hairsbreadth of winning. As a machine that suited Rossi's strong points of braking and turning he was the final part of the jigsaw, and together with Burgess he turned it into a winning machine.

    But since then Yamaha have stuck with the same formula , relying on Rossi's brilliance to turn in the wins. But as younger riders entered the fray, often emulating Rossi's winning style, the magic started to fade. Lorenzo capitalised on the Yamaha formula before leaving the team, which had become more about Rossi than Yamaha, and as Rossi himself struggled to match the pace of the new normal, Yamaha had nothing more to give and so the results faded along with the prospects of its riders.

    Clearly the M1 remains an formidable machine and Rossi, 2nd in the championship, is no slouch either, but the magic just isn't there, and Yamaha haven't won a race since Assen 2017. You don't develop a winning MotoGP bike overnight - ask Ducati - so Yamaha are now faced with the problem of how to once again make the M1 a machine that not only wins in Rossi's hands, but other riders' hands as well. And with the end of Rossi's racing career now firmly on the horizon, that's going to be a big headache back in Hammamatsu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat View Post
    They're talking on BT Sport now about the problems that Yamaha have. Both crew chiefs rumoured to be unhappy/leaving. And how the Yamaha is a "good" bike but not a "great" one, the problem is that it doesn't excel at anything. Strikes me their problem is fundamental and deep rooted, because what it stems from is the fact that for many years they have simply built bikes that Rossi likes. This is not a Rossi knocking post before any knee jerking starts off, just think about it. When Rossi took the M1 seat in 2004 the bike was far from its disappointing beginnings and had been developed to within a hairsbreadth of winning. As a machine that suited Rossi's strong points of braking and turning he was the final part of the jigsaw, and together with Burgess he turned it into a winning machine.

    But since then Yamaha have stuck with the same formula , relying on Rossi's brilliance to turn in the wins. But as younger riders entered the fray, often emulating Rossi's winning style, the magic started to fade. Lorenzo capitalised on the Yamaha formula before leaving the team, which had become more about Rossi than Yamaha, and as Rossi himself struggled to match the pace of the new normal, Yamaha had nothing more to give and so the results faded along with the prospects of its riders.

    Clearly the M1 remains an formidable machine and Rossi, 2nd in the championship, is no slouch either, but the magic just isn't there, and Yamaha haven't won a race since Assen 2017. You don't develop a winning MotoGP bike overnight - ask Ducati - so Yamaha are now faced with the problem of how to once again make the M1 a machine that not only wins in Rossi's hands, but other riders' hands as well. And with the end of Rossi's racing career now firmly on the horizon, that's going to be a big headache back in Hammamatsu.

    Interesting that the Factory openly apologise to Vinales & Rossi

    https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...57233/?nrt=112

    The old slouch did pretty well to bring it from 14th to 6th though I think Vinales has other issues, he put it 8th on the grid and only managed 12th. If Yamaha don't do anything to fix it, Rossi won't get to stand on the top step of the podium in MotoGP again though..

    Really enjoyed all three races, great to see Lorenzo slogging it out in the final laps - you wouldn't have believed that a few weeks ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat View Post
    They're talking on BT Sport now about the problems that Yamaha have. Both crew chiefs rumoured to be unhappy/leaving. And how the Yamaha is a "good" bike but not a "great" one, the problem is that it doesn't excel at anything. Strikes me their problem is fundamental and deep rooted, because what it stems from is the fact that for many years they have simply built bikes that Rossi likes. This is not a Rossi knocking post before any knee jerking starts off, just think about it. When Rossi took the M1 seat in 2004 the bike was far from its disappointing beginnings and had been developed to within a hairsbreadth of winning. As a machine that suited Rossi's strong points of braking and turning he was the final part of the jigsaw, and together with Burgess he turned it into a winning machine.

    But since then Yamaha have stuck with the same formula , relying on Rossi's brilliance to turn in the wins. But as younger riders entered the fray, often emulating Rossi's winning style, the magic started to fade. Lorenzo capitalised on the Yamaha formula before leaving the team, which had become more about Rossi than Yamaha, and as Rossi himself struggled to match the pace of the new normal, Yamaha had nothing more to give and so the results faded along with the prospects of its riders.

    Clearly the M1 remains an formidable machine and Rossi, 2nd in the championship, is no slouch either, but the magic just isn't there, and Yamaha haven't won a race since Assen 2017. You don't develop a winning MotoGP bike overnight - ask Ducati - so Yamaha are now faced with the problem of how to once again make the M1 a machine that not only wins in Rossi's hands, but other riders' hands as well. And with the end of Rossi's racing career now firmly on the horizon, that's going to be a big headache back in Hammamatsu.
    Only thing I could fault with that was that I thought that Yamaha were in Iwata!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantPygmy View Post
    Interesting that the Factory openly apologise to Vinales & Rossi

    https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/ne...57233/?nrt=112

    The old slouch did pretty well to bring it from 14th to 6th though I think Vinales has other issues, he put it 8th on the grid and only managed 12th. If Yamaha don't do anything to fix it, Rossi won't get to stand on the top step of the podium in MotoGP again though..

    Really enjoyed all three races, great to see Lorenzo slogging it out in the final laps - you wouldn't have believed that a few weeks ago?
    Nope. Clearly realised he's got to MTFU if he's going to compete with Marc next year.

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    Mystery solved:


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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantPygmy View Post
    Really enjoyed all three races, great to see Lorenzo slogging it out in the final laps - you wouldn't have believed that a few weeks ago?
    Yeah, it's almost as if he needed to be given the right bike by the factory like he'd been asking for all last year. Top races and kudos to all concerned, nice to see them laughing about it in parc ferme too instead of whingeing how unsafe each other was

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    Only thing I could fault with that was that I thought that Yamaha were in Iwata!
    *Ahem* deliferate mistale

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