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    As we're all aware, the TRC day has been and gone... despite the VERY wet Sunday stopping the usual morning chill out, breakfast and rundown on the day befores events, the day i still feel goes down as a complete success Everyone seemed to enjoy themselves both on and off the circuit which is always a good thing

    Of course, at this stage the dates for 2019 are not released, so don't expect anything on that side of things, but there are a few things to discuss... well, potentially...

    This year there was a Friday event, that was 20 people max per group and 150 for the day instead of 110. discount given if booking 2 days though as well. That is very likely to continue in 2019.

    Why did only Fizzy and Tricky book that ? Or, why didn't the rest of you consider the Friday ? I think they had 45 riders total on the day, so lots of very empty tracks for people. Is it down to the extra day off work ? The extra day away from the family ? Or something else?

    2019 we're potentially working on the Friday twist... Which will be a Female only group. There are many times you hear of girls/ladies saying "Well, we don't want to be out with a bunch of lunatic blokes", so the thoughts are leaning towards facilitating that on the Friday. Currently the idea is for 1 group, but if we could get 45 or so, then they could have 'Ladies day' So just throwing it up there for initial thoughts and discussion etc.

    Sat and Sun would be as per the usual format of Novice, Inters, Fast and the usual fun and games.

    Everyone happy with catering this year etc ? Gazebo all OK ? Any improvements you can see that myself and Alan@pbtd are missing ? I did notice a couple of comments on the PB Mag forum about instructor overtakes, but myself I didn't see any of that all. The only bad riding i saw was a guy in novice on a GSXR Streetfighter, who myself and Alan had a little chat with at the end of the session and he seemed understanding, but more importantly he accepted the criticism well and over the other sessions i followed him for 3-4 laps without him knowing and he seemed to take it onboard completely and rode a lot better with thought for other riders.

    On the Friday night this year Mrs Weeksy did a few laps in the van with Phil Bevan, she came back saying it was really helpful, really useful and when i saw her out there the next day she was using a LOT more of the track than in previous years, getting right over the the edge of the circuit at turn in and using the full width of circuit available to her. I guess the question is, who else would find this useful to them ? Would a classroom session with Alan/Phil/Instructors and a video of the circuit for example be of us (obviously not at race pace) picking out features, talking about lines through particular corners. I noticed when out in Novice group a lot of 'incorrect' lines through the old hairpin for example, loads of people taking it way too 'middle' and making the corner really hard for themselves. Instead of heading towards the left hand turn-in cone, they'd already turned in and had messed up the corner time and time and time again.

    Apart from obvious things i can't change like "needs more undulation" or "needs better pit facilities and power" for example, what would you change ? What can 'we' do to improve the weekend for you lot?

    I know at times the BH weekend has screwed up a few people and made it impossible for them to attend and at times that does sadden me a bit, but the dates they release are just the dates they have, we've generally gone with the August dates as it's school holidays, so Daven, Jazzy, myself etc can bring the wives and kids, which at the end of the day is what the event is all about... It's about everyone joining in as much as possible as a group, a forum, a family and a bunch of mates. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be the BH weekend next year, but the odds are fairly reasonable that it may well be.
    We attended the previous months event as a smaller group and sadly that too was also a little damp at times, it just happened that Pembrey was a bit wet on the PBTD weekends despite the weather in the UK being great for the majority of summer as we know. But we feel that the Aug weekend gives the likely best chance of decent weather.

    I noticed very few people taking advantage of the FREE suspension setup... Also the FREE innstruction..... Why is that ? Is it not sold well enough pre-event in the chats by Alan in the briefing ? Is it something you think, "yeah i should....." and then just forget. For example they have Josh Day there and Phil Bevan who are 2 of the fastest ever people to lap Pembrey, along with instructors who have decades of experience out there and especially at Pembrey itself.
    The suspension guy is an ex-BSB crew chief who has tonnes of experience of setting bikes up for people, but i didn't see anyone using his services to have their bikes tweaked at all.

    So that's it really... Go ahead and give me what you have, if possible, i'll try and make it happen.

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    Default Re: 2019 TRC Pembrey extravaganza, with a minor potential twist in the tail.

    Can they ship Pembrey to Spain, or perhaps Mugello for next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icarus1859 View Post
    Can they ship Pembrey to Spain, or perhaps Mugello for next year?
    Nah, sadly not... In an ideal world i'd love to make the TRC event at Portimao, but financially with me taking 2 people, 2 bikes etc, it's little more than a fantasy, there's no way i'm lobbing 2000 at the event for myself and the wife.... So we're kinda stuck where we are in terms of location. Cadwell and Anglesey have been thrown about at times, but in honesty i have little desire to move it from Pembrey... it kinda makes the event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weeksy View Post
    Nah, sadly not... In an ideal world i'd love to make the TRC event at Portimao, but financially with me taking 2 people, 2 bikes etc, it's little more than a fantasy, there's no way i'm lobbing 2000 at the event for myself and the wife.... So we're kinda stuck where we are in terms of location. Cadwell and Anglesey have been thrown about at times, but in honesty i have little desire to move it from Pembrey... it kinda makes the event.
    Fair play, it was only tongue-in-cheek.

    The weather is the big thing for me for UK trackdays, it sounds like you had a good time anyway but it’s still a good chunk of cash to throw at a wet weekend in Wales. However, I haven’t seen a complaint yet, so I think you’re right, no need to fix what isn’t broken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icarus1859 View Post
    Fair play, it was only tongue-in-cheek.

    The weather is the big thing for me for UK trackdays, it sounds like you had a good time anyway but it’s still a good chunk of cash to throw at a wet weekend in Wales. However, I haven’t seen a complaint yet, so I think you’re right, no need to fix what isn’t broken.
    I know

    Sadly though (or happily) this is where we all live.... so we just have to run with it.... There's be tonnes of great weather in the UK this year.... Sadly, Sunday wasn't it... but none of the TRC crew were riding (other than to home) on the Sunday anyway.

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    I’d love to come next year, really enjoyed it last time. While I understand completely why the BH weekend works best for a lot of you, unfortunately there’s no way I can make it that weekend

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    Although I didn't ride this year, one thing that was clear to me was the instructors/marshalls in bibs (one in particular) was basically just racing the clock. His difference in speed in the inters group was farcical. I actually wondered what use he offered out there. He wasn't watching any other riders or he would have seen some shocking overtakes at Honda and had a word with a few people. I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of riding puts people off.

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    Default Re: 2019 TRC Pembrey extravaganza, with a minor potential twist in the tail.

    Where's Couchies new bike thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
    Where's Couchies new bike thread?
    I dunno, but it's not in here thats for sure.

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    Default Re: 2019 TRC Pembrey extravaganza, with a minor potential twist in the tail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    Although I didn't ride this year, one thing that was clear to me was the instructors/marshalls in bibs (one in particular) was basically just racing the clock. His difference in speed in the inters group was farcical. I actually wondered what use he offered out there. He wasn't watching any other riders or he would have seen some shocking overtakes at Honda and had a word with a few people. I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of riding puts people off.
    When I was instructing, we always had to ride politely or we got a right bollocking. If their instructers were riding like twats, they need a bollocking. The paying punter comes first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorick View Post
    When I was instructing, we always had to ride politely or we got a right bollocking. If their instructers were riding like twats, they need a bollocking. The paying punter comes first.
    I've seen it in previous years, but have to say i didn't see any of it this year myself. Mrs Weeksy did comment she had what she percieved as a strong overtake by one... but not dangerous.

    It's always a tricky debate as one persons safe is another persons bonkers... If the guy being mentioned is the one i think, then he is very very unlikely to crash at the speed he was going... .but i can see why it may scare a few... Anyway, i've passed on the thoughts to Alan@PBTD, so lets move on from that one now

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    Interesting points Weeksy and thanks for bringing them up. A few thoughts, in no particular order.

    The instructors - apart from one who I was told followed me for a few laps and another who I saw clearly following someone else in Inters, mostly the only time I saw them after the sighting laps was when they flew past on a mission. I don't have a problem with that as their overtakes were done quickly and safely and they didn't trouble me or anyone else I saw. And I guess is nobody is seeking their advice they may as well enjoy themselves. But the point is well made, you have some very fast and experienced boys out there and it costs nothing to use their expertise, so it's well worth doing. I may give that a go next time out TBH, even though I know my way round there fairly well.

    Other riders (Inter group) - I didn't see anything I would describe as bad riding, though it's always a problem in this group if you have slow riders on fast bikes and vice versa. I certainly didn't ride as aggressively as I would have done on a race day but sometimes you just have to go for it if you want to get past someone or else you just sit looking at their butt for 10 minutes. As long as outright dangerous or aggressive riding is noted and acted on I think as the speed groups increase people need to accept things will get a bit more spirited.

    Friday - in the past I've loved 2-day race meetings but these days (old git mode) I think I'd find a 2-day trackday a bit much. You put a lot of track time in, like 2 hours riding at your limit and I dunno about you kids but I was feeling it on Sunday (and not just from the beer ). If you can fill a Ladies Day then more power to your elbow but I have a couple of reservations, firstly Alan would be staking an day's expensive track hire on being able to fill the day with enough Ladies. Also some may feel it's a bit condescending being offered a day where it's implicit they are not good enough to mix it with the "Gentlemen". There are some very fast and competent Ladies out there! Possible some other different formulae might be worth exploring, such as running sessions not defined as the traditional groups but instead Ladies, Road legal (with current MoT and road tyres) and ACU?

    Evening track tuition - good idea. Three things I often notice about road riders going on track are (1) they don't really understand lines, the principle behind them or how to put them together, (2) they don't trust their brakes and tend to brake really early, and (3) they don't know how to overtake, except on straights. It leads to gaggles circulating, no doubt frustrated at being held up all the way.... You won't make an expert in a few laps of course but just giving people some visibility of what they should be doing could be an eye-opener I think. Maybe even start with a classroom session explaining the basics and track etiquette.

    Other tracks - I like Pembrey a lot and PBTD has the advantage of being very flexible with bookings. It'd be nice to go somewhere else but I suspect there's only so many dates and places the TRC massive could put a biggish group together for - and the social at the end of the day is very much one of the highlights.

    Lastly, dates and weather. That date works well for me, always has done. The August bank holiday will never guarantee good weather, after all it's the UK, but at least it gives a fair shot at it and lets people have a couple of days to recover. Bear in mind most circuits have some race or another most weekends during the season so there may not be too much choice anyway. One of the great things about this weekend, particularly as it has become something of a fixture (on TRC as well as with PBTD) is it gives us the flexibility to make it more like what we want it to be rather than just going on some completely open day. You don't need to ride to enjoy it, or even arrive on a bike. It's a great social event with bikes thrown in, and worth supporting for that alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat View Post
    If you can fill a Ladies Day then more power to your elbow but I have a couple of reservations, firstly Alan would be staking an day's expensive track hire on being able to fill the day with enough Ladies. Also some may feel it's a bit condescending being offered a day where it's implicit they are not good enough to mix it with the "Gentlemen". There are some very fast and competent Ladies out there! Possible some other different formulae might be worth exploring, such as running sessions not defined as the traditional groups but instead Ladies, Road legal (with current MoT and road tyres) and ACU?
    This has been explicitly requested by a female biking type FB group... For all the reasons above.....Assuming we put it in place, we'll get the numbers and pre-booking thing sorted well in advance. There's plans to get a few celebrity riders who are female too for instruction etc, there's a woman who's a round the world specialist who in particular would love to do a TD, but has always been a bit worried, despite completing RTW rides on motorbikes.... It's completely possible of course that the reality won't work.... but we'll prepare for it in advance and plan accordingly.

    Thanks for the rest of the thoughts too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weeksy View Post
    This has been explicitly requested by a female biking type FB group... For all the reasons above.....Assuming we put it in place, we'll get the numbers and pre-booking thing sorted well in advance. There's plans to get a few celebrity riders who are female too for instruction etc, there's a woman who's a round the world specialist who in particular would love to do a TD, but has always been a bit worried, despite completing RTW rides on motorbikes.... It's completely possible of course that the reality won't work.... but we'll prepare for it in advance and plan accordingly.

    Thanks for the rest of the thoughts too...

    My experience of female only biking 'events' has not been very good TBH - FB groups, road riding clubs, even racing. I have little to no interest in it. If I am able to ride, then I'd love to go out on the Friday (so I can party on the Saturday and not ride on the Sunday) but the chances are that if it was female only, I wouldn't do the Friday. I've always loved the cameraderie on a 'normal' TD where you just meet who's there and chat and ride.

    However, if you do do it, might be worth getting in touch with people like the Iron Maidens as some of them go to Pembrey often (pretty sure the team boss and at least one other were there on Saturday and Sunday) as they may well be interested and keen to talk to other girls who want to do a ladies only thing - quite a few on their FB might be up for going too.



    Any chance of celebrities (don't have to be women!) for the rest of us 'non female only' people on the Saturday?



    With the instructors (I know I haven't been to the last two), historically I've not really known they were there and who they were. I don't really remember hearing that we could ask for instructors in the briefing. And I've not seen them at sign on - well, maybe that is them, it it isn't clear. I wouldn't know where to go and find them. I probably should have asked, but they aren't really 'available' as you are in the briefing etc which I suppose puts me off. I've learnt from some amazing people who were really proactive about teaching people on track and have helped me progress at each track really really well


    The Pembrey TDs are the only one's I've not had instruction at - and that is only because I didn't really know they were there and available. With NL, they are pointed out in the briefing, you can go and chat with them and sort out who you think can explain stuff to you easily and can book them as much as you like during the day (every TD I have done with NL I book one for the 2nd morning session and 2nd afternoon session).


    If I can ride a bike well enough by August next year, I'm up for it, whatever the dates, one or two days (not sure if it'll be a Monster of a slightly slimmer 600, but something!!)

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    Default Re: 2019 TRC Pembrey extravaganza, with a minor potential twist in the tail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weeksy View Post
    I've seen it in previous years, but have to say i didn't see any of it this year myself. Mrs Weeksy did comment she had what she percieved as a strong overtake by one... but not dangerous.
    It's not qualifying, so why do they need to do 'strong overtake' ? They have all day, so why worry about losing 2 or 3 seconds waiting for a gap to pass a punter safely?

    We were never allowed to 'play' in the novice group. And had to be respectful in the Inters. Fast group was game on.

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