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    Default Re: 10 years tomorrow since the collapse of Lehman Bros.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Dazzle View Post
    Blockchain is just a way of transferring data between people which "bakes in" the history and security of that data. It means you can share information without needing an external authority to say if it's correct/valid or not. Just by having the data you know it's valid and it's not been fucked with.
    The benefit seems to be that you don't need a trusted third party. But how can you be sure you trust the technology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scootabout View Post
    The benefit seems to be that you don't need a trusted third party. But how can you be sure you trust the technology?
    Again...that can be said of anything. Why do you trust the chair you're sat on not to dump your arse on the ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Dazzle View Post
    Again...that can be said of anything. Why do you trust the chair you're sat on not to dump your arse on the ground?
    It's too long since I (sort of) studied philosophy to get into a debate about inductive reasoning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Dazzle View Post
    Again...that can be said of anything. Why do you trust the chair you're sat on not to dump your arse on the ground?

    Because I've a rough understanding of engineering. I could work out what a computer program will do, as long as I can see the code. Is vehicle software open source? I genuinely don't know but would suspect not, based on the car manufacturers past behaviour.

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    The design of chairs is well established and, Louis XVI stuff excepted, can withstand most people sitting on them. I can also make an a priori visual assessment of them before I trust them.

    I struggle to do this with software, though Louis XVI software is paradoxically entirely trustworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twobad View Post
    I struggle to do this with software, though Louis XVI software is paradoxically entirely trustworthy.
    Those abacuses (abaci?) had cleverly integrated software and hardware. Way ahead of their time .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scootabout View Post
    Those abacuses (abaci?) had cleverly integrated software and hardware. Way ahead of their time .
    So did the first desktop I used - an Olivetti P6060. All the software (OS and BASIC language) was baked in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moth View Post
    You're being deliberately obtuse.
    I don't think he is

    You can't keep jobs open for the unskilled just because.

    Mr.D is completely right that this is just another piece of technological change. Same as any other technological change that have been going on since the ability to harness fire or make tools. It changes how we live and what we do

    It's not as if the agricultural and then industrial revolution happened overnight, after all. Agriculture didn't suddenly become mechanized, freeing up tons of people to go and work in factories that were ready and waiting for them. It took a hundred years or so.

    Elsewhere on other threads we have people complaining about the devaluation of university. Or you could see it as the change in what university is. Less about training a small class of professionals, and more about (for most people going there) learning a broad based set of skills that are useful for service industries, recognising the reality that mass employment in semi- or low-skilled manufacturing industries isn't there any more. And isn't coming back either, however much people want to kick against it

    Processes of change are never easy, but they're never avoidable either

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgy View Post
    Processes of change are never easy, but they're never avoidable either
    Change will always happen, but it is also a good idea to look at likely consequences.

    Sometimes a small adjustment in the direction or rate of change can have a massive impact on the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yambo View Post
    They can rest assured that my door bell or knocker will not be collecting or sending any data about their visit - and why should it?


    So that I can hack it, with a gizmo I can buy on the internet for £200, then I know your patterns of movement from day to day and can safely burgle your house while you're out at sea.

    Just like a keyless car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fruity View Post
    So that I can hack it, with a gizmo I can buy on the internet for £200, then I know your patterns of movement from day to day and can safely burgle your house while you're out at sea.

    Just like a keyless car.
    Or to look at it the other way...

    We are about to get a 'normal' door lock and a smart lock. That means you need a key AND a code to get in. That in turn means we can control the times that people are able to get in. We can then make it so the cleaner is only able to access the house when she's supposed to be cleaning. It also means we can tell from our CCTV who it was and when that opened our doors.

    Now I'm not worried about our cleaner per se, but our house insurance doesn't cover us against her stealing stuff..or indeed any body else stealing stuff...if weve given someone who doesn't live with us a key. UNLESS we have some other layer of security. Couldn't find any insurance companies where this was not the case...

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    Don't worry, your fridge can watch her and report back.

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    We leave our front door open from getting out of bed. Until, erm, going to bed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Jack View Post
    Change will always happen, but it is also a good idea to look at likely consequences.

    Sometimes a small adjustment in the direction or rate of change can have a massive impact on the consequences.
    No issue with that. I only take issue with the Cnut-like* denial of reality

    *yes yes, I know. Itís an allegory

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    It’s OK Mr.D, he’s a copper: a unionised workforce

    It’s in his interests to promote crime: reduces the pressure for redundancies

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