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    Quote Originally Posted by rudolph View Post
    Its called due diligence, plan for the worst possible outcome. Itís amazing some people are moaning as itís the same people who were moaning about TM who done no planning and they were in a piss about that too.
    Some due diligence on the implications for the GFA would have been nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowsider View Post
    Some due diligence on the implications for the GFA would have been nice.

    From both sides.

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    From unicorns and free money to food shortages in 3 short years of spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DefTrap View Post
    From unicorns and free money to food shortages in 3 short years of spin.
    Will we have a gammon shortage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    Then the UK with it's own currency would continue to be increasingly isolated from the essentially Eurozone-centric [sic] decision processes undertaken for the 'wellbeing' of the ~ 340 million Eurozone population, while still remaining partially liable for economic and social failures intrinsic in the botched Euro project.
    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    Project Fear?
    We've been here many times before.

    If you want to ignore what the 'founding fathers' of the euro, Otmar Issing and Jacques Delors, say about the botched implementation of the euro then it is your right to do so.

    As it is also your right to ignore, for example, what Joseph Stiglitz (a Nobel Prize winner) and Ashoka Mody (ex IMF) among others also have to say about the botched implementation of the euro.

    If and when the euro collapses under the weight of its inherent structural failures who do you think would be called upon to shore up the financial fallout? Clue: EU countries not in the Eurozone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris Johnson
    "One thing that slightly, I think, complicates the picture is that our EU friends still clearly think that there is a possibility that parliament will block Brexit.

    And as long as they think there’s a possibility that parliament will block Brexit they are unlikely to be minded to make the concessions that we need. So it is going to take a bit of patience."
    As I see it, "a bit of patience" until it's too late to have a General Election before October 31st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneerly Down View Post
    That 'progressive trading bloc' is 'progressing' towards a super-state that we do not want to be part of.
    If it were 'just' an enormous and progressive trading bloc then I'm sure we'd be fine staying in, but it isn't.

    Seeing that the progressive bloc has agreed free trade with such countries as Canada, Mexico, Japan & South Korea, surely it can find a way to agree free trade with the UK, unless 'progressive' includes vindictive to the cost of its own members?

    I’d happily be part of a closer Europe. Not necessary though even if that bogey man was real. We have a golden ticket of all the benefits without being in the Euro or Schengen and we’re about to flush it away. All for... errrr...??




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    Quote Originally Posted by MsignorMartinez View Post
    I’d happily be part of a closer Europe. Not necessary though even if that bogey man was real. We have a golden ticket of all the benefits without being in the Euro or Schengen and we’re about to flush it away. All for... errrr...??

    Love thy neighbour as thy friend. Not try to exclude him in the hope of gaining a small monetary advantage.
    Being a neighbour is one thing, living in their house obeying their rules is something else. I don't want them to tell me what to do when I go out either. Being a good neighbour is probably not the analogy you are looking for. That's actually what Brexit is trying to achieve; being a neighbour from the comfort of your own home and not a tenant where the landlord controls your life.

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    Who is my neighbour?
    Being part of the EU is to apply a tariff barrier (among others) to the rest of the world.
    We aren't excluding; we want to trade freely with the rest of the EU, and with the wider world.
    Being outside the EU allows us to be even-handed with all our neighbours.

    Anyway, we had this argument...Remain lost.

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    As Stewart Jackson put it in the Telegraph:

    Meanwhile, the clear message to the EU is that the days of grovelling supplication and begging for scraps from Brussels’ tables are over. Former Chief of Staff to Jean-Claude Juncker Martin Selmayr maintained that the EU had two strategic objectives in relation to the UK during and after Brexit:

    One – which with the help of Theresa May has unquestionably been achieved – and that is to make EU exit as difficult and messy for any departing country as possible pour encourager les autres.

    The second, which when seen in the context of the Northern Ireland backstop and the surrender document which was Mrs May’s draft Withdrawal Agreement makes sense – was to undermine or destroy the capacity of a former EU state to compete and develop over time a clear economic advantage to the potential detriment of the remaining EU states ...
    The last thing the EU wants is a powerful, agile, outward looking, and highly competitive economy right on it's doorstep.

    But it increasingly looks like that's what the EU is going to get, courtesy of its miscalculation over the WA and its subsequent intractable rigidity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneerly Down View Post
    ..Remain lost.
    But they are bad losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Jack View Post
    But they are bad losers.
    They're angry gammons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DefTrap View Post
    From unicorns and free money to food shortages in 3 short years of spin.
    That's not entirely accurate.

    We're gonna be over run with cheap Russian petrol too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Dazzle View Post
    That's not entirely accurate.

    We're gonna be over run with cheap Russian petrol too
    You mean like Germany is with Russian gas from the Nord stream 1 and soon to be opened Nord stream II pipelines? Owned and operated by Nord Stream AG in which the majority shareholder is Gazprom (owned by the Russian state).

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    Presumably that Russian gas is subject to the same tariffs all non-EU fuel is. The new concern relates specifically to Brexit and what happens when the UK has no tariffs on oil. But I'm sure you already knew that and are just conveniently forgetting.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270

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