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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneerly Down View Post
    That 'progressive trading bloc' is 'progressing' towards a super-state that we do not want to be part of.
    Then don't be; even as a member you cannot be forced into doing things, particularly with the vetoes and opt-outs that we already enjoy.

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    Eu already publicly stated multiple times that borders, freight and people movements will not change any time soon after exit, deal or no deal, despite what our fear mongering news sites say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    Then don't be; even as a member you cannot be forced into doing things, particularly with the vetoes and opt-outs that we already enjoy.
    Then the UK with it's own currency would continue to be increasingly isolated from the essentially Eurozone-centric [sic] decision processes undertaken for the 'wellbeing' of the ~ 340 million Eurozone population, while still remaining partially liable for economic and social failures intrinsic in the botched Euro project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ogri View Post
    Eu already publicly stated multiple times that borders, freight and people movements will not change any time soon after exit, deal or no deal, despite what our fear mongering news sites say.
    Tell Gina Miller that ^^^, she reckons we're all going to die in the event of a no deal exit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ogri View Post
    Eu already publicly stated multiple times that borders, freight and people movements will not change any time soon after exit, deal or no deal, despite what our fear mongering news sites say.
    The 'fear mongering news sites' are simply reporting the contents of the leaked document, in which the UK govt appears to suggest that they will have to bring in a hard border if there is no deal. Regardless of what the EU says, if the UK wants/needs a hard border then there will be a hard border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    Then the UK with it's own currency would continue to be increasingly isolated from the essentially Eurozone-centric [sic] decision processes undertaken for the 'wellbeing' of the ~ 340 million Eurozone population, while still remaining partially liable for economic and social failures intrinsic in the botched Euro project.
    Project Fear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutin View Post
    UK govt: hard border likely after a no-deal Brexit - report

    The British government believes there will be a hard border on the island of Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to documents leaked to the Sunday Times newspaper.

    The documents also say Britain will face shortages of fuel, food and medicine if it leaves the European Union without a transition deal.

    The Cabinet Office set out the most likely aftershocks of a no-deal Brexit rather than the worst-case scenarios.

    They said up to 85% of lorries using the main channel crossings "may not be ready" for French customs, meaning disruption at ports would potentially last up to three months before the flow of traffic improves.


    This is the Cabinet Office and not any group of doom-mongering remainers.

    How's Bozo going to talk (lie) his way out of this one?
    Easy. Johnson will blame the EU. Brexit cultists and Boris Johnson will still blame the EU, for the missing £350m, and for all the fuckups that they already have done with the UK, and will NOT take owneship of it.

    It's a: "Project serial liar fart: who shat in my pants?"

    Actual footage of Brexit 31 Oct 2019 event:


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    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    Then don't be; even as a member you cannot be forced into doing things, particularly with the vetoes and opt-outs that we already enjoy.
    Of course you can be forced into doing things as a member, or have you not seen the 'progress' of the EU toward widespread QMV?


    I write as someone who was in favour of our membership of the 'EU' prior to the extensive removal of member state veto.

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    Due diligence! It's like ordering the bandages before you shoot yourself.

    Love it when the government leaks their own document with a ready-made response waiting to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudolph View Post
    Its called due diligence, plan for the worst possible outcome. Itís amazing some people are moaning as itís the same people who were moaning about TM who done no planning and they were in a piss about that too.
    Some due diligence on the implications for the GFA would have been nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowsider View Post
    Some due diligence on the implications for the GFA would have been nice.

    From both sides.

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    From unicorns and free money to food shortages in 3 short years of spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DefTrap View Post
    From unicorns and free money to food shortages in 3 short years of spin.
    Will we have a gammon shortage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    Then the UK with it's own currency would continue to be increasingly isolated from the essentially Eurozone-centric [sic] decision processes undertaken for the 'wellbeing' of the ~ 340 million Eurozone population, while still remaining partially liable for economic and social failures intrinsic in the botched Euro project.
    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    Project Fear?
    We've been here many times before.

    If you want to ignore what the 'founding fathers' of the euro, Otmar Issing and Jacques Delors, say about the botched implementation of the euro then it is your right to do so.

    As it is also your right to ignore, for example, what Joseph Stiglitz (a Nobel Prize winner) and Ashoka Mody (ex IMF) among others also have to say about the botched implementation of the euro.

    If and when the euro collapses under the weight of its inherent structural failures who do you think would be called upon to shore up the financial fallout? Clue: EU countries not in the Eurozone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris Johnson
    "One thing that slightly, I think, complicates the picture is that our EU friends still clearly think that there is a possibility that parliament will block Brexit.

    And as long as they think there’s a possibility that parliament will block Brexit they are unlikely to be minded to make the concessions that we need. So it is going to take a bit of patience."
    As I see it, "a bit of patience" until it's too late to have a General Election before October 31st.

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