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    Ever heard of the BMW C1?

    If no, Google images.

    Rider is strapped in, so can't move their body from side to side
    Footboards, so no footrests to 'weight'
    No petrol tank to press knees against.

    So how do riders steer? Only one way left! [Leaving out varying throttle mid turn]

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    Aha, I've had a wizard idea. Tally ho !

    I've just watched this video I did at Donington to show brake and throttle control. No matter how closely I looked, I cannot see a hint of counter steering.
    We get through the chicane at speeds that road riders would dream of, but not sure how I do it


    FF to about 3 mins when the tyres are warmed up




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    [QUOTE=Yorick;2922538]Aha, I've had a wizard idea. Tally ho !

    I've just watched this video I did at Donington to show brake and throttle control. No matter how closely I looked, I cannot see a hint of counter steering.
    We get through the chicane at speeds that road riders would dream of, but not sure how I do it


    FF to about 3 mins when the tyres are warmed up




    Seems like more handlebar movement on the straights! Is that the front wheel going light?

    Love the corners at 135!

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    Seems like more handlebar movement on the straights! Is that the front wheel going light?

    Love the corners at 135!
    Yup

    Hurtling down Hollywood into Craner with knee hard on the deck is an amazing feeling

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    Zoom in on the video so that the bottom of the screen lines up with the bottom of one of the fork top nuts. Movement is small, but there. TBH, once I'd seen that I didn't watch any more. Is there a chicane? That's where it would show most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    Zoom in on the video so that the bottom of the screen lines up with the bottom of one of the fork top nuts. Movement is small, but there. TBH, once I'd seen that I didn't watch any more. Is there a chicane? That's where it would show most.
    Nope, saw nowt.

    Here's a circuit diagram. Hollywood is where the OP saw 135 on the speedo. (I saw 140) Strange corner and fuck is it fast. Three apexes and you need to hit them all at 130+ to get the run down to Craner properly. And Coppice is another corner with more than one apex. Get them wrong at speed and it will be expensive and painful

    https://www.greystonegt.com/doningto...-circuit-guide


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    The chicane is now known as Fogarty Esses and is knee to knee hard, fast transition. Amazing when you get it right and wheel lifts on the way out at 100+ and you still have to lean the bike with your weight.

    Fuck, I miss my instructing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorick View Post
    The chicane is now known as Fogarty Esses and is knee to knee hard, fast transition. Amazing when you get it right and wheel lifts on the way out at 100+ and you still have to lean the bike with your weight.

    Fuck, I miss my instructing
    I couldn't see the speed on the straights...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich6 View Post
    I couldn't see the speed on the straights...?
    About 155/160 when the wheel lifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorick View Post
    Nope, saw nowt.

    Zoom in more?


    On the phone, so can't easily do images/screen grabs, will try next week. I got bored watching, so at what time in the vid are you approaching the chicane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    Zoom in more?


    On the phone, so can't easily do images/screen grabs, will try next week. I got bored watching, so at what time in the vid are you approaching the chicane?
    On first lap about 1:20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorick View Post
    On first lap about 1:20.
    Ta.

    Where it actually shows clearly (and, to be fair, it is only small amounts) is where you come up from the loop and around the left towards the pits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    Ta.

    Where it actually shows clearly (and, to be fair, it is only small amounts) is where you come up from the loop and around the left towards the pits.
    There is a bump there which unsettles the bike just there. The maximum effort is through the Esses. We have to work hard there to get it from side to side at about 70 MPH.

    Blimey, we do tight chicanes at motorway speed limits

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    [quote]helps to give me a load more confidence in taking corners at any sort of speed.[/unquote]

    Don't forget there might be something round it, though

    On the subject of the debate about whether it's leaning or counter-steering wot does it, try sitting at a desk, with your hands resting on the edge of the desk. Then lean, first left then right. What do you feel though your hands in each case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich6 View Post
    Counter Steering.

    No one mentioned it on the CBT or in training for the full test.
    Pretty rubbish. A good reason to do some advanced training and learn how to do it properly. I don't mind a ride down to Wiltshire You can check out my www.survivalskills.co.uk website.

    Have a look anyway, and find the section of free resources, there's a Q&A article on counter-steering I wrote over fifteen years ago (before YouTube ) mostly because there was so much complete cr@p being written on the topic in magazines and forums. Fortunately, despite being written so long ago, the physics hasn't changed.

    My understanding is that it's using the gyroscopic effect of the front wheel to force the bike to lean rather than shifting you weight to lean it.
    Forget gyroscopes. Another misunderstanding.

    Forget "shifting your weight to lean it" too. That doesn't work. What actually happens when riders insist they lean their body into corners is that they inadvertently put weight on the inside bar and counter-steer without realising.

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