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    Default Weak fixings


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    Ok - this is a left field question no doubt.

    I need to find some ďweakĒ fixings. Iím installing some kit {WiFi access points} in a location which canít have any ligature points, {i.e. nothing you can hang yourself on}

    Normally a small metal bracket, screws to walls / ceilings etc, the AP clips to that. The bracket and AP are strong and wonít give, so Iím left with fixing the bracket in a weak manner.

    So... I need some kind of fixing that will not stand the weight of a human, child nor adult.

    Velcro is perhaps one choice but not ideal.

    I have seen some breakaway type fixing before but Iíll be buggered if I can find them online anywhere. The main material being fixed to is standard brick/concrete.

    Any ideas?

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    How about picture hanging hooks that are designed to fit into plaster / plasterboard?

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-l...SABEgL3GvD_BwE

    Even if one won't take the weight, could you use several to hold a batten?

    FWIW, I've used velcro to support light (canva prints on light wooden frame) pictures. However, I recently re-hung one that had been up for a few years after the wall had been repainted - the glue didn't want to stick particularly well, so I've re-fixed it with far more tape (and crossed fingers).

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    They arent really suitable - thanks for the thought though.

    Iím sure Iíve seen weak headed screw type fixings - but no idea what they are called.

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    Could you take a normal screw, saw it in half, then glue them back together?

    "Ah!" I hear you say, "How do I screw them in?"

    Screw them into the holes, saw the heads off, then put the [box whatever] in place and glue the heads back on. To be honest, it sounds a lot of faff and there has to be an easier way

    Glue it to the wall?

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    Can you box the whole lot in? That way there's no ligature risk.

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    Sadly not. In many wards I have been able to get them above false ceilings - so the problem went away.

    Iím left with one secure unit building - with a number of high risk areas, all of which have solid ceilings.

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    Breakaway cables/connectors?

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    What about four press studs glue one half onto a flat board fixed to the wall the other half of the press stud to the unit.

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    If it's anything like some shelves I've put up in the past, put any weight on and it'll fall off anyway.

    So is that the solution: just don't fix it very well? Loose rawplugs (over-drill the holes), or similar, two small screws instead of four big 'uns, etc?

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    Google finds ...

    https://www.nottinghamshirehealthcare.nhs.uk › ...PDF
    16.24 Ligature Risk Reduction (Issue 2).pdf - Nottinghamshire Healthcare
    2 Feb 2019 ∑ 3.3.1 These are specifically designed fixtures, fittings or designs that reduce the risk of a ligature being successfully attached to perform the function as an anchor point. Even where a fixture or fitting is marketed as “anti-ligature” a potential risk may persist and should be assessed as such.

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    Default Re: Weak fixings

    Normal plug/screw fixings but small and short and small screws in plugs designed for bigger screws. Test it by giving a sharp tug - it should come away in your hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Jack View Post
    Normal plug/screw fixings but small and short and small screws in plugs designed for bigger screws. Test it by giving a sharp tug - it should come away in your hand.
    See 'shelves' above.

    A bit of trial and error would be needed, although is the challenge to stop the box itself being used as an anchor for hanging from, or to prevent the cables into the box forming loops (i.e. a noose)?

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    Instead of screws and plugs, make some tapered wedges out of something like balsa wood. Leave a “head” on them and tap them in.
    Should stay wedged in the hole and bracket but just snap if any weight applied.
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    Default Weak fixings

    Thanks for all the thoughts so far. Whatever it is, it needs to be a commercially available product - contractors actually do the fitting.

    The patch cable will only come through the roof a small amount, so no noose will be able to be formed with them. Itís just the fitting of the bracket that leaves an issue.

    Velcro may be the answer after all ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudolph View Post
    Thanks for all the thoughts so far. Whatever it is, it needs to be a commercially available product - contractors actually do the fitting.

    The patch cable will only come through the roof a small amount, so no noose will be able to be formed with them. It’s just the fitting of the bracket that leaves an issue.

    Velcro may be the answer after all ...
    Can you cheat and find out how it's been done before? You can't be the first!

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