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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwdriver View Post
    Is voting in a referendum a fundamental part of our democratic process?
    It is. However our process also allows us to change what is/will/might happen at any time doesn't it?

    I don't think that is gonna happen, but it's a bit silly to assume that any vote in a modern democracy is a fixed single decision that will never change.

    Despite what any campaigns might have said

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    Quote Originally Posted by ink ink View Post
    When they don’t have a referendum.
    Ah. Trying to be clever.


    ...and failing miserably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwdriver View Post
    Is voting in a referendum a fundamental part of our democratic process?
    Only when the answer is the right answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Dazzle View Post
    It is. However our process also allows us to change what is/will/might happen at any time doesn't it?

    I don't think that is gonna happen, but it's a bit silly to assume that any vote in a modern democracy is a fixed single decision that will never change.

    Despite what any campaigns might have said
    What has to happen is that a referendum decision has to first be put into effect. Like the 1975 refetendum was.

    See where this is going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwdriver View Post
    Ah. Trying to be clever.


    ...and failing miserably.
    Glad to see you can still laugh at yourself. It’s a sad man that can’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwdriver View Post
    Brexit means leave the EU either with a negotiated withdrawal or after two years if the negotiation is unresolved, we leave with with no-deal. Thats what we voted for, thats what Cameron promised. The other umpteen versions are designed by remainers to thwart the process.
    Perhaps they were. But didn't both main parties have 'deal' in their manifestos? If so, that's what the population voted for after the referendum.

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    The Conservatives had "deal" in their manifesto...it said "no deal is better than a bad deal"

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    That's a promise thats as vague as well...a politician's promise. Makes it sound like you're a tough negotiator while leaving ample room to do what the fuck you like cause there's no definition of 'bad'.

    I think the WA is a bad deal BTW. But the "no deal is better etc." line basically means nowt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwdriver View Post
    When is it not?
    When 'they' don't like the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Dazzle View Post
    That's a promise thats as vague as well...a politician's promise. Makes it sound like you're a tough negotiator while leaving ample room to do what the fuck you like cause there's no definition of 'bad'.

    I think the WA is a bad deal BTW. But the "no deal is better etc." line basically means nowt.
    "No deal [ie leaving on WTO terms] is better than a bad deal" basically means nothing?

    That's such a stupid statement that I don't believe you really mean that.

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    Unless you define what you mean by "bad" its a meaningless statement.

    Anyone can agree that nothing is better than bad in some contexts. It's nothing to do with Brexit it's just a truism. It didn't even need saying.

    But politicians said it and gave everyone a soundbite while achieving fuck all. Well not quite fuck all, they made a rod for their own back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Dazzle View Post
    Unless you define what you mean by "bad" its a meaningless statement.

    Anyone can agree that nothing is better than bad in some contexts. It's nothing to do with Brexit it's just a truism. It didn't even need saying.

    But politicians said it and gave everyone a soundbite while achieving fuck all. Well not quite fuck all, they made a rod for their own back
    A dictionary definition might help your inability to understand what "bad" means in this context. Google is your friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Dazzle View Post
    they made a rod for their own back
    They should, proverbially, be beaten with that rod precisely because it does mean something.
    It means that 'no deal'* is an option and, indeed, was the default option in the absence of an agreed deal as part of the legislation that Parliament passed into law.


    *Obviously there are many deals in place even if we leave without a formal Withdrawal Agreement.

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    Parliament decided that Theresa May's deal... sorry, I keep doing that...

    Parliament decided that the EU's deal was a bad deal. We should have left with no deal at the end of March. All we've achieved by delaying is eight more months of uncertainty.

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    Default Re: Is democracy dead?

    Eight more months of democracy on an advisory referendum anyway.
    Democracy is the winner here.

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