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    Quote Originally Posted by MsignorMartinez View Post
    Have you seen youths kill a cat in a gang initiation? Oh, I see... You've heard a brief (and pretty questionable) amount of information about it on an unrelated internet forum.

    As for me, two friends have substantial farms (one in Derbyshire, one in Cambs).
    Rudolph's Dad has a farm, doesn't mean I know anything about farming
    I've got a friend who's an underwater welder, I know fuck all about that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jane View Post
    And horrific though that is:

    It is not in the UK
    The video is of practices 15 years ago.
    It isn't a farm, it is a slaughterhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    They do, to an extent, and they do also change, albeit slowly.

    The Animal Welfare (Service Animals) Bill took a while to get through, but seeks to protect service animals (like police dogs/horses) from being attacked. I feel that the maximum sentences for animal cruelty are pretty low, so clearly some reform in that area is required.
    I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that the govt have been talking about increasing max sentencing for animal abuse to 5 years since mid 2017, but still haven't implemented it.
    What would help is the police holding a central database for those who have been banned from keeping animals. What's the point of handing out bans if the only way to check is by going through court logs once an abuser has offended again? A couple of years ago a bloke was found to have over 100 dogs caged in a rented field just north of London, despite previously been banned for similar. The local DLO explained that the local police have no way of checking this because there's no central database and the offender had been previously convicted elsewhere.

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    It would, but you'd be amazed at what databases the police don't have in some places that they should, by sheer common sense, have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian_Boolean View Post
    Rudolph's Dad has a farm, doesn't mean I know anything about farming
    I've got a friend who's an underwater welder, I know fuck all about that as well.
    Your significantly more distant connection doesn’t really have any influence over or analogy to what I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Jack View Post
    And horrific though that is:

    It is not in the UK
    The video is of practices 15 years ago.
    It isn't a farm, it is a slaughterhouse.
    i'm pretty sure when MM mentioned farming practises he wasn't talking about pesticide use or the lack of heating in cowsheds, he was talking about slaughtering methods. and besides my post wasn't made in response to or in support of his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsignorMartinez View Post
    Have you seen youths kill a cat in a gang initiation? Oh, I see... You've heard a brief (and pretty questionable) amount of information about it on an unrelated internet forum.

    As for me, two friends have substantial farms (one in Derbyshire, one in Cambs).
    Yeah sorry i was just lying and made it all up!

    I was told by a pretty reliable source (Someone who had their cat killed!)

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    There was a cat shot and killed (after being paralysed) last night near where I work. It's not a very rare thing, unfortunately :|

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    Increasing laws and punishment is only treating the symptoms (or trying to) and ignores the underlying problem - a decay in societal values. I think it could be argued that the huge increase in laws that we have had since Bliar have all been doing the same thing, treating symptoms and ignoring the basic problem.

    The UK has got where it is by social engineering and what is really needed is a new set of engineers and Brexit of course.

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    Liked for the first bit, but the like faded as it went on :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yambo View Post
    Increasing laws and punishment is only treating the symptoms (or trying to) and ignores the underlying problem - a decay in societal values. I think it could be argued that the huge increase in laws that we have had since Bliar have all been doing the same thing, treating symptoms and ignoring the basic problem.

    The UK has got where it is by social engineering and what is really needed is a new set of engineers and Brexit of course.
    Perhaps the leading lights have left these shores

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyseriA View Post
    Liked for the first bit, but the like faded as it went on :P
    The second, well OK, the last bit was partly tongue in cheek. However, successive UK governments have spent a lot of Parliamentary time rubber stamping rules, regulations and laws that have come out of Brussels which, it could be argued has contributed to the social engineering that has been going on. Freed from the extra layer of government the UK Parliament will be able to get on with running the country (if they can find enough decent politicians to form a decent government) and start righting some of the wrongs of the past few decades. You know, a Parliament and government of the people, for the people.

    Of course, the UK is not the country I grew up in - things change but when the family and I came back to the UK in 1990 after a fair amount of time abroad, we felt (maybe the kids didn't) that we came back to a foreign country rather than just leaving one. It has got worse since 1990 and to be honest I really can't see myself ever coming back 'home'. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't fit in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jody View Post
    No point increasing sentences for as long as no-one gets caught.
    That's why I also said putting more resources into it, which would be commensurate with classifying it as a more serious crime than at present.

    Or we could always wait until the people who are killing animals for kicks move onto humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yambo View Post
    Increasing laws and punishment is only treating the symptoms (or trying to) and ignores the underlying problem - a decay in societal values. I think it could be argued that the huge increase in laws that we have had since Bliar have all been doing the same thing, treating symptoms and ignoring the basic problem.

    The UK has got where it is by social engineering and what is really needed is a new set of engineers and Brexit of course.
    Ah, if only we could all be so lucky as to live in a secular liberal country committed to animal welfare, social justice and peaceful relations with its neighbours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat View Post
    Ah, if only we could all be so lucky as to live in a secular liberal country committed to animal welfare, social justice and peaceful relations with its neighbours.
    Jeez Tomcat, I am so,so sorry, I just never realised!

    The tears are tripping me knowing now that you are being forced to live in a country that is none of those things. Sadly, I have no idea how I can help you get out but maybe you could put a help message in a bottle and throw it in the nearest canal or something.

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