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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlongbeard View Post
    Yes.
    The knuckles get impact attenuation testing and the palms get impact abrasion testing.
    And on further reading;
    Class 2 gloves have cut resistance tested palm and back face, class 1 gloves only have it on the palms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Jack View Post
    Water resistant, not water proof.
    True but my Pittards leather Altberg boots have only leaked on a handful of occasions, when I've been riding in day-long rain.

    No idea about leather gloves, but many other sorts of 'water resistant' stuff will tolerate the occasional splash or a small shower, but not a lot more. My gloves get a hammering in rain (no real protection from screen or fairing, the only pairs that ever came close to a 'waterproof' label were a very cheap pair of fabric scooter gloves, and a rather similar pair of fabric ski gloves with no pretensions towards protection. All the rest eventually went soggy, some after not much more than a few minutes of heavy rain.
    I had a pair of Held waterproof gloves back in the early 80s when I was despatching. They were the first ever pair to use a Gore-tex liner IIRC.

    They were also hideously expensive - they cost more than my Lewis Leathers leather jacket!

    Were they waterproof? 100%.

    Unfortunately, the water ran down the sleeves of my equally waterproof 'boil in the bag' Rukka and into the gloves every time I stopped moving. And then I discovered they took ages to dry out. They were bulky too, and far too hot in summer. And the beautifully-soft leather turned out to be wafer-thin. They wore out in less than a year where the side of the hand rubs the switchgear.

    I also had a pair of waterproof gloves from a relatively no-name manufacturer when I was instructing in the 90s at Cinque Ports. They had a narrow cuff so went under the jacket and that kept the rain out. Unfortunately someone half-inched them from the instructor's shelf when they were drying out at the school.

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    For 100 percent waterproof textile gloves use fabsil, it worked for me, just the regular stuff for waterproofing tents.
    For leather I'm surprised we've not seen this type of stuff being touted out to motorcyclists https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tarrago-Uni...3853431&sr=8-3

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlongbeard View Post
    The knuckles get impact attenuation testing and the palms get impact abrasion testing ... Class 2 gloves have cut resistance tested palm and back face, class 1 gloves only have it on the palms
    In terms testing gloves' protection, is this all that's required to pass Level 1: cut and abrasion resistance for palms, plus impact attenuation for knuckle protection? If so, that's not very reassuring!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    In terms testing gloves' protection, is this all that's required to pass Level 1: cut and abrasion resistance for palms, plus impact attenuation for knuckle protection? If so, that's not very reassuring!
    No tear strength for seams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    In terms testing gloves' protection, is this all that's required to pass Level 1: cut and abrasion resistance for palms, plus impact attenuation for knuckle protection? If so, that's not very reassuring!
    No, there seam strength too, plus a few other odds n bobs such as fit and chem properties.

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    In theory that empowers the police to carry out roadside checks to ensure all riders have the CE label inside their gloves
    I'll give France a miss, the labels are a pain so I cut them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlongbeard View Post
    I'll give France a miss, the labels are a pain so I cut them out.
    In my local leHalfords-style shop the other day buying coolant and twigged the big sign by the gloves (and the tiny date that it came into force). First time I'd heard of it.
    I'm sure I've been stopped on the bike by lePlod in the last two years, they certainly weren't bothered about thoroughly examining gloves. Probably all the french scooter Boyz like those fashun Mx gloves ...

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    Post Re: Which gloves achieve CE Level 2?

    As well as Racer’s Dynamic 2 gloves, Spada's Covert gloves are also CE Level 2. Alpinestars has at least two gloves that are CE Level 2: GP Pro R3 and the eye-wateringly expensive Supertech gloves.

    Racer Dynamic 2 gloves are currently £82.99 at Sportbikeshop and Spada sells its Covert gloves for £79.99. Yet some Dainese gloves costing four times the price are only CE Level 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    As well as Racer’s Dynamic 2 gloves, Spada's Covert gloves are also CE Level 2.

    Are you sure.
    The only mention of those gloves being level 2 are in online shops, amazon and the suchlike, yet they (Racer's) claim to be CE level 2 certified against EN1621-2, which is odd as that's the back protector standard, they should be looked at against EN13594...

    I can't see owt on Spada's on website at what level they pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlongbeard View Post
    Are you sure.
    The only mention of those gloves being level 2 are in online shops, amazon and the suchlike, yet they (Racer's) claim to be CE level 2 certified against EN1621-2, which is odd as that's the back protector standard, they should be looked at against EN13594...

    I can't see owt on Spada's on website at what level they pass.
    Here's the SATRA page:

    https://www.satra.com/ppe/EN1621.php

    Could the knuckle protection be what has been tested, to an inappropriate standard?

    If I put my cynic's hat on, I'd say that the manufacturers know that the average motorcyclists won't know which standard is which.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Spin Doctor View Post
    Here's the SATRA page:
    Thanks, but I've got the standards themselves, so know which is which.
    If anyone wants an 'unbiased' understanding the directives with harmonised standards can be found https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-m...d-standards_en , PPE in particular is https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-m...e-equipment_en with the directive located https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...LEX:32016R0425 and the OJ list of harmonised standards https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...2018XC0615(03) and https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...01.0030.01.ENG

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    Could the knuckle protection be what has been tested, to an inappropriate standard?

    If I put my cynic's hat on, I'd say that the manufacturers know that the average motorcyclists won't know which standard is which.
    Doubtful as it's only 3rd party retailers who are listing the incorrect standard, the manufacturer themselves aren't listing any.

    Why aren't / can't manufacturers be more transparent? Hell Spada only has 3 of its certs for gloves available to download https://www.spadaclothing.co.uk/ce if they've got a glove to pass at level 2 they should be screaming it from the rooftops.

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    A Spada representative told me that their Covert gloves are CE Level 2, but I wish it was clear on their website.

    Racer’s website looks like a typo. I hope the “Level 2” isn’t a mistake too.

    Alpinestars Supertech gloves are also CE Level 2. They’re also fekin expensive! Apparently, Alpinestars Supertech gloves hold the distinction of being the only CE Level 2 gloves available in India ... but I don’t know if this helps vs. tigers

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlongbeard View Post
    Thanks, but I've got the standards themselves, so know which is which.
    It was more for anyone else...

    If anyone wants an 'unbiased' understanding the directives with harmonised standards can be found https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-m...d-standards_en , PPE in particular is https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-m...e-equipment_en with the directive located https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...LEX:32016R0425 and the OJ list of harmonised standards https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...2018XC0615(03) and https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...01.0030.01.ENG
    Is it 'readable'? I've tried trawling through EU docs in the past

    Doubtful as it's only 3rd party retailers who are listing the incorrect standard, the manufacturer themselves aren't listing any.

    Why aren't / can't manufacturers be more transparent? Hell Spada only has 3 of its certs for gloves available to download https://www.spadaclothing.co.uk/ce if they've got a glove to pass at level 2 they should be screaming it from the rooftops.
    All very odd.

    If the retailers are misrepresenting the gloves, I wonder how long before someone tips of Trading Standards?

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