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    I doubt if I'll vote, as I am supposed to be voting for a candidate and they're all shit, there isn't a least shit, it's a shame you can't vote against all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julian_Boolean View Post
    I doubt if I'll vote, as I am supposed to be voting for a candidate and they're all shit, there isn't a least shit, it's a shame you can't vote against all of them.
    You're right. We need a "None of the above" option on the ballot paper. And if NOTA wins, the election is run again with a new set of candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saga_lout View Post
    You're right. We need a "None of the above" option on the ballot paper. And if NOTA wins, the election is run again with a new set of candidates.
    Or the country goes over to a Jury selection type system to select MPs where people are selected at random

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    Quote Originally Posted by saga_lout View Post
    You're right. We need a "None of the above" option on the ballot paper. And if NOTA wins, the election is run again with a new set of candidates.
    Until you get the result you want?

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    Until you get the result you want?
    Exactly. A candidate that isn't rejected by the electorate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saga_lout View Post
    Exactly. A candidate that isn't rejected by the electorate.
    Candidate selection might benefit from elector input before the ballot stage. Julians suggestion would be a real participatory democracy. Didn't the ancient Greeks do something similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowsider View Post
    Candidate selection might benefit from elector input before the ballot stage. Julians suggestion would be a real participatory democracy. Didn't the ancient Greeks do something similar?
    He made two suggestions. Are you voting for both? How very Irish (vote early, vote often ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudolph View Post
    Happens every single year in NHS...

    SPEND IT NOW... OR LOSE IT.

    I've never seen a private company have that attitude to spare budget. Now I realise this comes from the way it's funded, i.e., if you don't spend it in year A, your budget gets cut in year B. But on the flip side, if you really didn't need it in year A, why think you will need it in year B.

    There are no benefits for running a budget surplus and no real penalties for running a budget deficit - this will always be the Achilles heel of public run services.
    That's the way budgets are run everywhere, private and public alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saga_lout View Post
    He made two suggestions. Are you voting for both? How very Irish (vote early, vote often ).
    Voting twice seems to be quite the thing these days...

    https://www.aea-elections.co.uk/2019...to-vote-often/


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    Quote Originally Posted by saga_lout View Post
    Bring back British Rail
    The idea does, in my mind, have some merit. If you use the railways to tempt people out of cars then the way the railways are priced needs to change. Make them less about profit and more about affordable travel, in fact so cheap that it's a no brainer to use them. That won't happen with a profit driven private company. For any journey I make that could be done using the train I always look at the cost of doing so. It's incredibly rare to find a price that will make me use the service, add in a passenger and driving becomes a lot cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirahna View Post
    ...in fact so cheap that it's a no brainer to use them.
    Just how crowded are the trains/network already?
    Adding train capacity is by no means a trivial matter.

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    That won't happen with a profit driven private company.
    It can, with the prices being regulated and a competitive franchise arrangement, although how well the franchising arrangements work is another matter.
    However, see below...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pirahna View Post
    For any journey I make that could be done using the train I always look at the cost of doing so. It's incredibly rare to find a price that will make me use the service, add in a passenger and driving becomes a lot cheaper.
    And that's with subsidised trains (£17 billion coming from the government in a year) vs car journeys being a big earner for the government.
    As someone who has to drive 20 miles to get to my nearest train station and then travel 2hr 40min on the train to get to a the nearest urban centre, should I have to pay into the system an even greater amount to subsidise your putative train journeys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kneerly Down View Post
    It can, with the prices being regulated and a competitive franchise arrangement
    I happened to be on trains (or on platforms) for about 5 hours today. During one journey I was near three staff (guard, food/drink, one other) and one commented about how complicated the fare structure is and how difficult it can be for customers to get the best deal. A simplified national structure would be one benefit of a single organisation.

    Plus, the franchise structure has been shambolic over the last couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    I happened to be on trains (or on platforms) for about 5 hours today. During one journey I was near three staff (guard, food/drink, one other) and one commented about how complicated the fare structure is and how difficult it can be for customers to get the best deal. A simplified national structure would be one benefit of a single organisation...
    How long would it be before the party in government started boasting about how good the railways must be because of the amount of our money they're spending on it and the opposition complaining how crap the system is because the government isn't spending enough of our money on it?

    Like, for instance, the NHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horse View Post
    I happened to be on trains (or on platforms) for about 5 hours today. During one journey I was near three staff (guard, food/drink, one other) and one commented about how complicated the fare structure is and how difficult it can be for customers to get the best deal. A simplified national structure would be one benefit of a single organisation.

    Plus, the franchise structure has been shambolic over the last couple of years.
    Have you ever worked in a regulated industry, where prices have to be published and available to all ?

    The standard industry response to regulation like that is to make the fare structure so complicated that even the Regulator cannot understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saga_lout View Post
    He made two suggestions. Are you voting for both? How very Irish (vote early, vote often ).
    He said don't vote, or jury selection. Are you voting for don't vote?

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