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    In a slide, isn't heat the problem with Kevlar? Otherwise, why wouldn't people use Kevlar suits for circuit racing?

    I know Kevlar's used in some motorcycle racing, e.g. JC Pro sells Kevlar suits for speedway and sidecar racing.

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    Dr. Rod Woods etc...
    Don't want to be rude, but from memory, this is at least twenty years old. I have a feeling the kevlar gloves were designed for use with chainsaws, and AFAIR it was being debated about the time I changed career from courier to bike trainer, which was 1995.

    Not to say it's not still relevant, because I would say that the standard of most bike clothing is no better than it was in 1995, it's just that with the latest changes to the A, AA and AAA rating, we now have CE 'approved' clothing that's no better than casual clothing.

    I was hoping that Paul Varnsverry (who effectively took on Rod Woods work and ran with it to be instrumental in creating the original Level 1 / 2 CE standard, and with whom I have been in contact on a number of occasions to discuss clothing standard, would be able to get the A rating squashed - he was appalled at how low it was. But he seems to have washed his hands of it and walked away.

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    How could Paul or anyone else get the A rating squashed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    How could Paul or anyone else get the A rating squashed?
    Lobbying.
    EU regs / directives are massively influenced by industry etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    Thanks Phil

    In a slide, isn't heat the problem with Kevlar? Otherwise, why wouldn't people use Kevlar suits for circuit racing?

    I know Kevlar's used in some motorcycle racing, e.g. JC Pro sells Kevlar suits for speedway and sidecar racing.
    Loads of the sidecar crews liked the flexibility of the Kevlar suits, especially the passengers for the increased movement. Many tried them out, most. if not all went back to leathers as the level of protection in a slide on tarmac were not as good and a long slide burned through the kevlar faster than decent leather . Speedway still use them as they have lower speed and less abrasion to worry about in a slide due to the different surface

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    How could Paul or anyone else get the A rating squashed?
    Quote Originally Posted by mrlongbeard View Post
    Lobbying.
    EU regs / directives are massively influenced by industry etc.
    When the previous CE was being developed, some manufacturers were pushing for levels that would have permitted, for example, fabric suits with leather on elbows knees etc. IIRC the UK experts pushed back against that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlongbeard View Post
    EU regs / directives are massively influenced by industry
    Hence could one person, even a renowned technical expert like Paul Varnsverry, could beat the lobbying resources and influence of large companies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    Hence could one person, even a renowned technical expert like Paul Varnsverry, could beat the lobbying resources and influence of large companies?
    1 person, no, 1 person with a large expert body, or 1 person with a member state or 1 person with industry, yes probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    How could Paul or anyone else get the A rating squashed?
    The A rating was brought in because of lobbying by the manufacturers who claimed (AFAIR) that making CE-approved garments to the old Level 1 / 2 standards was "too expensive" and "too technical", and produced garments that were "too uncomfortable".

    Of course, the fact that Aldi were selling CE Level 1 kit for peanuts blew those arguments out of the water.

    What Paul was doing was explaining and making the opposite case - that existing standards should be maintained, and that a lower standard would not be protective in crashes.

    Unfortunately, the EU Commission followed the industry case rather than the protective function case.

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