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    Iím well out of date so need some help

    Iíd like to get my turntable out of cold storage and use it occasionally, I havenít bothered since my amp died

    I didnít bother replacing the amp because like many, most of the music I listen to is either off a digital library on my Mac, and/or Spotify on phones. We play these through some (OK but not brilliant) Bluetooth speakers

    We have a pretty good Wifi network that covers the whole house, with boosters

    So Iíd like to be able to play some vinyl again, and get a better sound/speakers. Being able to play in multiple rooms (selectively!) would also be good.

    I am thinking I can do this with a Phono Stage pre-amp for the TT, connected to a WiFi amp, a Sonos port or similar. Then Sonos type speakers in the rooms I want. Am assuming I can then play vinyl or any of the digital libraries/streaming services wherever. Is this right?

    Are there other products other than Sonos stuff? Whatís good?

    Or are there other media players that can do this (ie address wifi speakers) and do video streaming as well, like an Apple TV does?

    TIA

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    Iíve gone with Yamaha MusicCast products for my streaming (although sticking to traditional wired speakers in the main room). At the heart of it is a Yamaha RX-A1000 amp (with integral phono stage) . I wanted an amp that was good for both movies and music and the Yamaha was far better ( to my ears) than the Denon, Marantz, or Pioneer I also demoíd at Richer sounds. The Yamaha WiFi speakers I have in the kitchen and bedrooms are better than their size would suggest and can be configured separately or paired for stereo, the MusicCast app works well and set up is easy

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    I think my question would be, playing vinyl the way you are suggesting what will you get out of it that you won’t get from Spotify/amazon music? The quality certainly won’t be there and it will just be a chore.

    I listen to music in two distinct ways, background music while cooking etc, via a streaming service and I listen to vinyl through a proper setup when the wife is on nights. Two totally different ways of listening.

    But the direct answer you your question is yes, you should be able to take the output from a phone stage directly into a Sonos bridge.

    pro-ject make decent cheap stages.

    https://premiumsound.co.uk/product/turntables-accessories/phono-preamps/pro-ject-phono-box-mm-phono-stage

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    I have a few Sonos speakers and although I don't have a turntable, I still use my own stereo amp and speakers in 'my' room for proper listening. There are various options you can take with them to get all sources onto a network, though nothing they do is particularly cheap.

    Assuming you get a phono stage (or TT with one built in), then you can just plug straight into their biggest speaker, the Play:5 which has a line in. From there, I believe, you can then connect it into the Sonos network so you can have the usual multi-room setup if you like. The downside would be that you'd be limited to using that particular speaker for your TT.

    If you use their Amp then of course you could attach 'proper' speakers to the turntable, as well as using Sonos stuff elsewhere.

    Or, go the full hog and get the Port (or whatever it's called this month) and then you can use your own amp and speakers, as well as the usual everywhere else. This is what I've done (albeit with the older model called something else) so I can connect my ripped library from CDs on a network drive and then stick it into a decent DAC and power amp and into good speakers. So in 'my' room I have a pretty high-end setup, and the rest of the house gets the standard Sonos fayre in the usual way.

    Things to be aware of: firstly, all Sonos stuff is expensive. The worst for me was the thingy (think it was called Connect at the time) that I use to connect from the network to my own amp. This is essentially just a network device, or their amp without the amp, but was something like 400 quid new. Naturally I spent about 6 months hunting one down on eBay cos I'm tight.

    Secondly, Sonos speakers are annoyingly good. I have my posh setup in my room with a nice amp and speakers etc and it sounds great. But those bastard little 100 quid Sonos speakers are annoyingly good. We have one in the kitchen, just a little active mono speaker but it sounds great. For the kitchen. If music is for background cooking, friends over for dinner, all that stuff, a bit like Wheelnut was saying, then the Sonos speakers are superb. I don't have any of the Play:5s but have a couple of the 3s in other rooms and, again, they belie their size. Two of the little mono 1s can be paired together too to make a great pairing over a wider distance than a 3 or 5.

    Thirdly, it's easy to get carried away and start buying more Sonos speakers for everywhere. I've been quite restrained but would like some more. And they're branching out into outdoor and ceilings and all kinds of shit.

    Fourthly, continuing from above, you're of course buying into a single system from a single make. Less so if you use your own amp and speakers I suppose, but that misses the point for many. Generally that's been ok. It's Sonos - it all works and sounds fantastic. But they recently put the wind up everyone by basically saying they were discontinuing support for anything more than a few years old and everyone could go and fuck themselves. Cue massive backlash of course and they backtracked to a degree but not entirely. And it's made me stop and think a bit. They only didn't shaft everyone because everyone complained loudly enough.

    Anyway, for Sonos you have options. You can use the TT simply or add your own speakers or your own amp. You'll still have to pay Sonos for the ability but you have the option. And you do get the advantages of the whole multi-room thing which is nice.

    I'm assuming there are alternatives to Sonos but I don't mention them because I don't know enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelnut View Post
    I think my question would be, playing vinyl the way you are suggesting what will you get out of it that you won’t get from Spotify/amazon music? The quality certainly won’t be there and it will just be a chore.
    Most of my vinyl is old and hard to find (or unavailable) online, but mostly nostalgia factor and warm feels. Quality I think will be there. Deck is top quality and vinyl in good nick, it always sounded great through my old amps (highish end Arcam stuff). Chore factor isn’t really the point

    But the direct answer you your question is yes, you should be able to take the output from a phone stage directly into a Sonos bridge.

    pro-ject make decent cheap stages.

    https://premiumsound.co.uk/product/turntables-accessories/phono-preamps/pro-ject-phono-box-mm-phono-stage
    Ta

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidge View Post
    I’ve gone with Yamaha MusicCast products for my streaming (although sticking to traditional wired speakers in the main room). At the heart of it is a Yamaha RX-A1000 amp (with integral phono stage) . I wanted an amp that was good for both movies and music and the Yamaha was far better ( to my ears) than the Denon, Marantz, or Pioneer I also demo’d at Richer sounds. The Yamaha WiFi speakers I have in the kitchen and bedrooms are better than their size would suggest and can be configured separately or paired for stereo, the MusicCast app works well and set up is easy
    The Yamaha stuff looks good, just checking it now

    Thanks

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    I accidently discovered I could play my old records on my cheap turntable a while ago, by plugging it into the telly, which in turn has a Sonos soundbar attached via optical cable (? can't recall). Once more, 80's and 90's bangers filled Chez Gremlin until the novelty wore off after an hour of so, the faff of changing singles, getting them in and out the box, etc., etc. Soon fucked it off and put a playlist back on. Better sound quality and I didn't need to keep putting my drink down and walking to the other side of the living room.

    There's a reason old technology is old technology.


    As you can tell, I'm not an audiophile. I love music, but, sorry, keep it real people. Unless you have a bob-on audio system in a room specifically set up for listening, plus you're willing to sit in the optimum spot and listen intently to your favourite album* from start to finish, then you're on a hiding to nothing. Get some Sonos or the like, knock up a playlist or two and then moonwalk from the kitchen, through the hallway and up the stairs, every once in while spinning round, finger pointed high in the air, with your music playing throughout the house. YKIMS.




    *Which will, invariably, be Dark Side of the Moon and don't pretend otherwise, hi-fi nerds. Or Tubular Bells. Somebody had to have bought all them years back and it'll be somebody who still insists valves are the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgy View Post
    Most of my vinyl is old and hard to find (or unavailable) online, but mostly nostalgia factor and warm feels. Quality I think will be there. Deck is top quality and vinyl in good nick, it always sounded great through my old amps (highish end Arcam stuff). Chore factor isn’t really the point

    Might be worth ripping it to MP3 / FLAC in those cases;
    https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-...nyl-collection

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    There's a reason old technology is old technology.
    Because it was stockpiled for a disaster that didn't come

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    I don’t expect to play the vinyl often. I just have no means to do so at the moment. And my streaming audio set up is also lacking. So I’m looking for a set up that can take both sources and give better sound, that’s all. Seems pointless buying better wifi speakers for streaming and just buying another amp for a standard vinyl setup, especially as I don’t bother playing CDs any more (and won’t, as they’re all ripped into libraries and digital in the first place anyway)

    My turntable isn’t cheap. And I won’t be relying on a TV amp to play it

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrlongbeard View Post
    Might be worth ripping it to MP3 / FLAC in those cases;
    https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-...nyl-collection
    I do actually WANT to play with the turntable sometime guys, that’s part of the point

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgy View Post
    I do actually WANT to play with the turntable sometime guys, that’s part of the point
    I get it, I have one and use it occasionally, but for rare / hard / impossible to replace stuff I'd be making copies.
    Not something I'm worried about, I doubt it'll be much of a hardship for me if my signed Fuzzbox albums gets lost or broken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slenver View Post
    IThings to be aware of: firstly, all Sonos stuff is expensive. The worst for me was the thingy (think it was called Connect at the time) that I use to connect from the network to my own amp. This is essentially just a network device, or their amp without the amp, but was something like 400 quid new. Naturally I spent about 6 months hunting one down on eBay cos I'm tight.

    Secondly, Sonos speakers are annoyingly good. I have my posh setup in my room with a nice amp and speakers etc and it sounds great. But those bastard little 100 quid Sonos speakers are annoyingly good. We have one in the kitchen, just a little active mono speaker but it sounds great. For the kitchen. If music is for background cooking, friends over for dinner, all that stuff, a bit like Wheelnut was saying, then the Sonos speakers are superb. I don't have any of the Play:5s but have a couple of the 3s in other rooms and, again, they belie their size. Two of the little mono 1s can be paired together too to make a great pairing over a wider distance than a 3 or 5.

    Thirdly, it's easy to get carried away and start buying more Sonos speakers for everywhere. I've been quite restrained but would like some more. And they're branching out into outdoor and ceilings and all kinds of shit.


    It's like an addiction. I'm thinking of ordering a Play One for the gym at home. The gym gets used a bit, but not enough to warrant a speak in there, but once you start, it's hard to stop.

    The Play One speakers, for their size, are bloody impressive. I have a number of them dotted around the house, with a couple of Play 5s,the soundbar on the telly and a Sub in the living room. Party Mode is fucking awesome, the windows literally vibrate with the noise, but very little distortion, even banged up to the max.

    The newer set ups don't need the Connect now. I think you can get something from Sonos to connect to your existing hifi, but don't quote me as I'm like Cliff Richard, wired for (wifi) sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gremlin View Post
    The newer set ups don't need the Connect now. I think you can get something from Sonos to connect to your existing hifi, but don't quote me as I'm like Cliff Richard, wired for (wifi) sound.
    I think they've essentially just replaced the Connect with the Port (from my first look at their stuff for years). Before then there were Zoneplayers. Or something. Either way, I'd need something to connect my amp to the system.

    On a vaguely related note, inspired by your gym thing, I wanted to put something in the garage the other day. Not a Sonos or anything (it's too far away anyway), but just something to listen to. There are so many cheap and decent Bluetooth speakers so was just looking for one of those. At the same time, I had some old iPod dock lying around in the bedroom for years that I've been meaning to chuck. I was reluctant cos it was a hefty, decent one that sounded pretty good, and although it only connected to old-skool iPods, it also had an analog line-in so had some potential use that has stopped me chucking it.

    Anyway, long story short, a bit of browsing came the my solution - a little bluetooth dongle that connects to, and is powered by, an old iPod port for about 15 quid. So, stick that onto the port connector and bingo, the perfect bluetooth speaker.

    I was happy anyway. Sorry, carry on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slenver View Post
    I was happy anyway. Sorry, carry on
    No need to apologise as you've got me thinking. I have an old B&W Zeppelin with the old iPod dock, which is pretty much bloody useless these days, but it's a seriously good portable, if bloody heavy, speaker. I tried plugging in a 3.5 lead but it wasn't having it. Wondering now if a dongle might breathe a bit of life into it....

    Gotta link to your cunning purchase?

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