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    Chap next door but one got his crosser nicked from his house a couple of weeks ago. Bike is fully Data-Tagged. Rings South Yorkshire plod, they come round take details and when he mentions Data-Tagging and asks whether they want the ID number they show no interest.

    Fast forward several days. Chap keeps eye on Ebay and spots his bike broken for parts, seller in same town (Doncaster). Apparently there are several unique features etc, so he has no doubt the bits are from his bike. Rings plod and Ebay.

    Several days pass and plod comes to house. Suggests he pose as a buyer, go to collect bits, plod will be there for backup and see what transpires. He tells them to fuck off, that's their job, and after said scrote has got off with a slapped wrist and tracks him down to wreck his house where will plod be? Then points out to plod what are they fucking about at, all they have to do is go to see seller and scan parts for Data-Tag chips and he's bang to rights. Plod's reply - "What's Data-Tag? We've never heard of it, we don't have any scanners"

    So who's bullshitting who here? Let's gloss over for a moment the general incompetence of this bunch of jokers calling themselves South Yorkshire Police. Is Data-Tag just another waste of money 'security product' being foisted on bikers which is not, when it is needed, of any use whatsoever (plod not being supplied with scanners)? Or are SYP just talking out of their arses?

    Moral of story either way would appear to be if you get a bike nicked in South Yorkshire don't bother with plod, sort it yourself.

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    several years ago my old ZX7RR was half inched from my mates house, several months later data tag identified it in Southhampton as a collection of parts....
    it DOES work after a fashion and it does make the parts less sellable but it aint no big chain or dog is it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Funners View Post
    several years ago...it DOES DID work
    corrected 4 u



    no-one uses it now

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    Default Re: Data-Tag - Is It Useless Then?

    Back when I was mechanicing at a main dealer we used to fit the kits.

    We bunged most of the chips in the bin as it took too long to glue them in place.

    We said if the coppers ever did come round with the scanner, hide the bin!



    Ahhh... great days. Actually it was pretty shit.

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    So are you saying that it's sort of dropped out of favour, hence perhaps plod having now disposed of their scanners (assuming they ever had them)?

    I do have my bike fitted, but only cos I got it done about 15 years ago when it was a new idea.

    Agree it is far better to avoid bike being nicked in first place. The less said about the security arrangements of the chap in question the better

    Point is that if plod are no longer participating in the scheme we need to know. No point buying new kits. And no point people advertising their bikes are fitted when selling as if it's some kind of worthwhile feature.

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    Shame, it was potentially a good idea.

    I'll mention this to the chap concerned. Probably not what he wants to hear mind you....

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    just to contradict you totally Coolhands but Datatag is still used and in great numbers....it may well have died the death for the bike market but it is still used on a lot of new caravans for exactly the same reasons, most forces do have scanners as well as they scan the vans in roadside checks...

    HTH

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    I stand to be corrected. I seem to recall Gedge (or someone) saying most forces don't have scanners. Maybe I am remembering wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolHands View Post
    so yeah, save your fifteen quid and buy smartwater instead.
    is this what we should all be using now? Police know all about it, yes?

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    A friend of mine had two trials bikes pinched from his garage, he reported it to the Police with discriptions and details of both bikes.
    A few weeks later one turned up on E Bay , unmistakably his as it had a few homemade brackets and still had all the aftermarket stickers on.
    Police said he could not prove it was his as he had no log book, he pointed out trials bikes have no log book and offered pictures
    of the bike with his son riding it. Plus the fact he had described the bike in his statement when it was reported stolen.
    Police still refused to help without log book. To cut a long story short , he bought the bike and challenged the seller when he went to pick up.
    Lucky for him the seller said he bought it in good faith but handed it over with no payment.
    I really don't see why an officer could not have gone with him on the pick up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khd View Post
    A friend of mine had two trials bikes pinched from his garage, he reported it to the Police with discriptions and details of both bikes.
    A few weeks later one turned up on E Bay , unmistakably his as it had a few homemade brackets and still had all the aftermarket stickers on.
    Police said he could not prove it was his as he had no log book, he pointed out trials bikes have no log book and offered pictures
    of the bike with his son riding it. Plus the fact he had described the bike in his statement when it was reported stolen.
    Police still refused to help without log book. To cut a long story short , he bought the bike and challenged the seller when he went to pick up.
    Lucky for him the seller said he bought it in good faith but handed it over with no payment.
    I really don't see why an officer could not have gone with him on the pick up.
    and yet to contra that, I know of a supermoto that was stolen and subsequently turned up on the Bay of Fleas, and Edinburgh police actively took part in a sting operation to return the bike to it's owner...
    it's not all doom and gloom as my own experience with datatag and the police shows.
    it also shows that relying on tagging to prevent theft is misplaced !

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolHands View Post
    I stand to be corrected. I seem to recall Gedge (or someone) saying most forces don't have scanners. Maybe I am remembering wrong.
    I have access to one and using it in the last year have identified 3 nicked bikes with no ID numbers and 2 nicked jet skis

    Local plod with no interest in vehicles will look at you blankly but those of us with interest in bikes and cars go to the suppliers and get hold of the kit. I also have an alfadot reader and have used it to identify a rung GSXR600 a couple of years back that was up for sale on ebay We went to buy it, had a snout around and nicked the bloke sus theft which turned into a brucie bonus as we got 5 grands worth of columbian marching powder in the susequent search which obviously sent matey away for a decent stretch as the bike wouldn't have probably got him more than a couple of months inside
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    wow that's really interesting cheers. I might go and buy a kit then and fit it!!! since you are in the know with regard to how police use these various systems in the real world (ie local plod might not use them, but more specialist divisions perhaps would) do you mind offering an opinion on the following?

    I've tried to summarise all here.

    From what I can see there are 3 (or 4 if you count the caravan option) main tagging options.
    • ImmobiDot Microdot Marking Kit 20.45 which is basically a bottle of alphanumeric coded microdots in an adhesive containing optical brightener that will fluoresce purple under UV light. It is linked to the immobilise.com website which I like though.
    • AlphaDot - Security Marking System 24.99 basically the same as the immobilise one above.
    • Datatag New 'Stealth' Datatag Motorcycle Kit 89.99 (which is the rrp).. however as ever ebay comes up with the best price of 59.95 eBay link

      The actual datatag website is completely crap and doesn't appear to sell the product. You can buy it from other suppliers though. None of them clearly tell you what actually comes in the new kit Which really fucks me off. As far as I can find out it comes with both transponders and 'data'dots (the same as the first two above essentially) as well as some kind of UV etching stencil. I think it comes with
      2 x larger transponders
      2 x smaller transponders
      1000 x Datadots
    • ImmobiVan 5 Tag Caravan Identification Kit This comes with 2 small RFID chips, 2 large (that stick) and 1 'card' type (like a credit card) that could possible be slide into the seat material I'm thinking. Here ImmobiVan™ :: Information


    There's also an Acumen SMS Secure Marking kit which just seems to be a load of stickers for 60 Acumen SMS Secure Marking kit so that looks a bit shit to me.

    so whadya reckon? I like the idea of the immobilise microdots kit + the caravan rfid kit. that would come to approx 60.

    I would appreciate any coppers past or present having some input into what is most likely to be found / of use assuming the bike was nicked and went to a proper bike thief (not just a quick joyrider type situation)

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    Just in from work then diving out again so will have a look when I have more time probably tomorrow as I only have a working knowledge of the datatag and alphadot stuff so need to read up on the others

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    Dont smartwater bits get given away by plod?

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