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    Default Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    I've consulted with my wife - she thinks it will be a good idea and has warned my boss that he shouldn't try to oppose it.

    BBC News - David Cameron 'warned he cannot stop pay rise for MPs'

    Seriously, have these people not been watching what's been happening in Turkey and Brazil?


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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    Parliament lives in it's own bubble of self important detachment, remember being appalled during the last recession when they awarded themselves a huge pay rise, and 'Independent pay review committee' my arse!

    Reckon all politicians should, like monks, take a vow of poverty before entering Westminster

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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    Give 'em a good payrise, sure. I have no problem with that but ban other employment while they're an MP and especially ban all current and former department ministers from joining any industry they were a minister for, for at least five years after leaving parliament.

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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    Quote Originally Posted by DodgetheRog View Post
    Give 'em a good payrise, sure. I have no problem with that but ban other employment while they're an MP and especially ban all current and former department ministers from joining any industry they were a minister for, for at least five years after leaving parliament.

    Or holding 20 mio of shares in companies that are affected by their ministerial decisions

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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    I'm in two minds about this. On one hand taking a 15% payrise when everyone else is belt-tightening is a pisstake. On the other we need quality MPs and personally I don't think it's either any easy job or should offer lower pay than one could get for an equivalent role outside of Westminster.

    It's slightly more the former though - as an MP you are job-guaranteed over 4 to 5 years, you know the pay structure and it's not so bad, you should fecking well knuckle down and crack on. If you must then dial-in a yearly pay review with a top whack increase of a 1% or 2 above inflation. Whilst I've no doubt that MP pay has been falling behind in real tems over the last few years, now is not the time to readjust it.

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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    I am not sure.

    Hope this helps.


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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    A 15% pay rise, that's nice for them. Not so nice for us seeing as this 15% is coming from tax payers when public spending is tightened and overseas aid is increased.

    Will we see a 15% rise in effort to sort things out? Probably not.

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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    Quote Originally Posted by DefTrap View Post
    I'm in two minds about this. On one hand taking a 15% payrise when everyone else is belt-tightening is a pisstake. On the other we need quality MPs and personally I don't think it's either any easy job or should offer lower pay than one could get for an equivalent role outside of Westminster.

    It's slightly more the former though - as an MP you are job-guaranteed over 4 to 5 years, you know the pay structure and it's not so bad, you should fecking well knuckle down and crack on. If you must then dial-in a yearly pay review with a top whack increase of a 1% or 2 above inflation. Whilst I've no doubt that MP pay has been falling behind in real tems over the last few years, now is not the time to readjust it.
    The timing is crass . MPs have hardly shown themselves to be the upholders of standards - esp when it comes to expenses. But I believe Bercow and the Trollop have also had there official gaff re-done at considerable cost to the tax payer ...
    If we all voted ourselves pay rises in the same why then the free market economy dictates we will go heads up.
    I think MPs should get better paid - but with serious restrictions on employing family or outside work. Outside interests means unions as well as commerce. However it should be time so that there as been a leap forward in Britian PLCs profit and loss sheet. They are, after all, members of the board.
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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    I got a pay rise today.

    Not a 15% one though.

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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    Quote Originally Posted by the phantom pieman View Post
    Or holding 20 mio of shares in companies that are affected by their ministerial decisions
    Not exactly relevant to the pay rise question but interesting nevertheless


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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    Quote Originally Posted by DodgetheRog View Post
    Give 'em a good payrise, sure. I have no problem with that but ban other employment while they're an MP and especially ban all current and former department ministers from joining any industry they were a minister for, for at least five years after leaving parliament.
    I don't agree. Everyone is being asked to tighten their belts - many people, like me have taken nominal or real cuts in pay since 2008. MPs should be leading and setting an example, showing empathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldboy View Post
    I don't agree. Everyone is being asked to tighten their belts - many people, like me have taken nominal or real cuts in pay since 2008. MPs should be leading and setting an example, showing empathy.
    I guess I DO agree with you in that respect. I think the timing is wrong but I still think that they should get more as long as there are other work/investment limitations both during and after tenure. A politician ought to be in the job because they want to serve.

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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    Just taken a 6000pa pay cut.

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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    Isn't a 15% rise going to push em up a tax bracket? (I've not been paid since October )

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    Default Re: Today I shall be mostly voting for a payrise.

    Quote Originally Posted by DodgetheRog View Post
    I guess I DO agree with you in that respect. I think the timing is wrong but I still think that they should get more as long as there are other work/investment limitations both during and after tenure. A politician ought to be in the job because they want to serve.
    If they (collectively) get the UK economy growing with improvements in real incomes (not just property prices) and in standards of living , at a rate that is faster than the rest of the World then I'll be happy to agree an inflation-linked payrise.

    While we're at it, shouldn't we rationalise the Houses of Parliament, surely there's only so many jeering knobheads required in any one debate.

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