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    There was a guy on the radio yesterday saying JBs cell is full of the case papers and he spends all his time going through them looking for mistakes or loopholes (I guess he has little else to do). If he had a good case for a retrial or could present new evidence then I am sure it would go through the courts. After all he's managed to spearhead this latest foray to the ECJ so he must have either a paid for lawyer or a lawyer on legal aid who's supporting him

    Good point. I don't know where he gets his funding from? WOuld he still get legal aid if he doesnt have leave to appeal?

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    Truth seekers, click here Jeremy Bamber Official Web Site
    Straw clutchers sounds more accurate than truth seekers........ According to that he was convicted and fitted up by police, the anti gay movement, the extended family in a land grab of assets and a few others together with a string of "could it be" and "what if"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigyin View Post
    Straw clutchers sounds more accurate than truth seekers........ According to that he was convicted and fitted up by police, the anti gay movement, the extended family in a land grab of assets and a few others together with a string of "could it be" and "what if"


    I'll conceed there is grounds for foil hat wearing, but that's as far as i'll go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taipan View Post
    Good point. I don't know where he gets his funding from? WOuld he still get legal aid if he doesnt have leave to appeal?
    No idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taipan View Post
    The Bamber case is interesting. Not sure that is a safe conviction any more, although I base that on a biased in his favour program.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigyin View Post
    Funnily enough after spending a day with one of the original investigation team and being given access to a lot of the photos, evidence and statements i think he is slam fucking dunk guilty and should be allowed to keep applying for case review after case review as there are pieces of evidence he cannot physically ever counteract
    Quote Originally Posted by Taipan View Post
    That's the point though. The original investigation, or first on scene at least, made a lot of (acknowledged) mistakes. Some the original investigation has been discounted because of this but doesn't detract from the verdict at present. Also Bamber's defence team employed some American CSI/Ballisitics experts and they have offered a different and possible scenario for the bullets and residue, or lack of, left by his sisters suicide, all of which could offer reasonable doubt on his conviction too. But until he gets the right to appeal...

    For a guilty man he has always maintained his innocence and has put an awful lot of effort into what are really futile attempts at right to appeals. Fair enough he has nothing but time on his hands but the effort is notable. Plus of course most locals believed it was his Sister as she was deffo looney tunes. It was his odd behaviour after that alerted people, although it was no different to his behaviour before the killings and of course a hounding by the press and trial by media gave it all momentum. So there is just something that doesn't sit right with me about it all.
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    Not sure who you think 'acknowledged the mistakes' or discounted any of the earlier evidence but he had a CC review and his appeal was rejected in 2002 not sure how many times you think he should be retried? or should he keep going back until he gets the result he wants rather than the resultimposed by 12 men and reinforced by the appeal court?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigyin View Post
    He claims that his sister shot the family with a rifle then turned the rifle on herself to commit suicide and this was what was found with the rifle next to her......... The main thing to fuck up his defence that he cannot explain away over the years is

    A) how she managed to shoot the family one by one with an unsilenced weapon without disturbing anyone with noise.

    B) how when the house was searched a silencer for the rifle was found in a box under the stairs in its original packing yet when dismantled was found to have his sisters blood in the internal baffles as she was the only one shot at supposed close contact as suicide.

    If his story is believed how did she manage to commit suicide with a single shot, then remove the silencer and repack it under the stairs

    Like I said, slam dunk
    Etc blah, but it looks like he maybe gaining some ground here after claims of modern forensics proving call logs were altered/added to, meaning he couldn't have been at the house at the times of the killing. So if it wasn't him or his sister, who was it?



    Quote Originally Posted by Gem View Post
    There was a guy on the radio yesterday saying JBs cell is full of the case papers and he spends all his time going through them looking for mistakes or loopholes (I guess he has little else to do). If he had a good case for a retrial or could present new evidence then I am sure it would go through the courts. After all he's managed to spearhead this latest foray to the ECJ so he must have either a paid for lawyer or a lawyer on legal aid who's supporting him

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    On telly tonight. Wonder what take they'll put on it?

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    On telly tonight. Wonder what take they'll put on it?
    Certainly not in his favour, but I still reckon he'll walk within a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taipan View Post
    Certainly not in his favour, but I still reckon he'll walk within a few years.
    Why? There may have been some doubt at the time due to the police incompetence, but the DNA evidence subsequently was damning. The guy cooked up an elaborate plot to kill 5 members of his family in cold blood to get an inheritance, then lied to try and frame his dead sister for it. You don't get much more calculating and dangerous than that.

    There is a very valid case against indeterminate sentences. People can and do change, and in the UK there was evidence that many people were being locked up for offences that didn't merit the length of their sentence and when there was no good case for public protection. That said, there are some who really do need to serve up to the end of very long sentences. Bamber I believe is one.

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    His eyes are too close together anyway.

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    His eyes are too close together anyway.
    Case Closed!!

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    Why? There may have been some doubt at the time due to the police incompetence, but the DNA evidence subsequently was damning. The guy cooked up an elaborate plot to kill 5 members of his family in cold blood to get an inheritance, then lied to try and frame his dead sister for it. You don't get much more calculating and dangerous than that.

    There is a very valid case against indeterminate sentences. People can and do change, and in the UK there was evidence that many people were being locked up for offences that didn't merit the length of their sentence and when there was no good case for public protection. That said, there are some who really do need to serve up to the end of very long sentences. Bamber I believe is one.
    Essex Police still haven't released all the evidence and many claim it wont stand up to modern forensic scrutiny.

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    Essex Police still haven't released all the evidence and many claim it wont stand up to modern forensic scrutiny.
    Who are these many, and how do they know if the evidence is still locked away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Jack View Post
    Who are these many, and how do they know if the evidence is still locked away?
    His legal team mainly, but certainly his supporters as well. Also JB passed a polygraph if you put any stock on those? Loads more info on his website and campaign website etc blah. If true, then he'll walk and EP wont look good in this for forging things and I suspect a rather large compo payment will be heading Bamber's way. If you use twitter its worth following his campaign who counter the claims in the tv program as they are shown.

    https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/

    https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/alibis-1

    https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/-sheila
    Last edited by Taipan; 21-01-20 at 14:59. Reason: Forgot links! D'oh!

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